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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

zeke said:
I mean we all know why. Question is whether it's a good why.
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why:

-doesn't score goals
-shit defensively
-doesn't have the speed he used to since the knee injury
-isn't tough/gritty/physical
-isn't considered a winner or a leader that can get us over any playoff humps

If we had traded for him I would still be feeling it was a big gamble. Your dream is that the 93 point guy shows up, or at least a legit top line forward. Not sure how likely that is.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Because Hyman has 7x as many goals as Hall so far this year.
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Can we really judge him based on one season in Buffalo (Buffalo)?

He’s got elite talent and would have been cheaper than Foligno (I like Foligno, he was my second choice). He would have been a great addition.
 
Volcanologist said:
Your dream is that the 93 point guy shows up, or at least a legit top line forward.
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That a legit top line forward shows up isn't really a dream, that's what he's been every year other than this season in Buffalo. Buffalo. Maybe the most broken franchise in the league.
 
MindzEye said:
That a legit top line forward shows up isn't really a dream, that's what he's been every year other than this season in Buffalo. Buffalo. Maybe the most broken franchise in the league.
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This Sabre team sans Eichel is one of the worst teams ever, including expansion. Ullmark for Vezina for what he's doing in front of that.
 
Volcanologist said:
why:

-doesn't score goals
-shit defensively
-doesn't have the speed he used to since the knee injury
-isn't tough/gritty/physical
-isn't considered a winner or a leader that can get us over any playoff humps

If we had traded for him I would still be feeling it was a big gamble. Your dream is that the 93 point guy shows up, or at least a legit top line forward. Not sure how likely that is.
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Honestly its the off ice stuff that seems to have the whole league spooked. Nobody wanted him. Every playoffs team could have afforded him.
 
MindzEye said:
That a legit top line forward shows up isn't really a dream, that's what he's been every year other than this season in Buffalo. Buffalo. Maybe the most broken franchise in the league.
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People are blaming Buffalo but eichel has no problem putting up points in buffalo
 
I mean, how many times do we need to see really good players eat a mile of shit while being in bad situations/organizations, only to end up in a good organization and shut everyone up?

Sure, there's exceptions where the player themselves are complete assholes, drunks, drug addicts, etc. But this level of success is self-selecting. It's really, really fucking hard to reach that level in the NHL if you're remotely as mentally weak as the media and fans want to pretend some of these athletes are. This isn't the 70's when you could wake up, slap your wife, drink a 6 pack, hit the stationary bike for 25 minutes, hack a couple of darts, show up in September and finish top 20 in scoring.

What's not really hard? Running a bad business. That's fucking easy, especially in what is ostensibly a monopoly on local professional hockey. Especially a business where the only KPI most people give a fuck about is heavily influenced by dumb luck.

If Taylor had flopped out of a bunch of good organizations maybe I'd be more receptive to the idea that there's something wrong with the guy. But if you follow his career arc, the worst thing that can be said about him is that he couldn't drag terrible teams in bad organizations anywhere.
 
MindzEye said:
You're really going to circle around and O'Reilly this one again, aren't you?
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When it was still a possibility the Leafs might acquire him, Kessel with the Pens was a good comparison for Hall, according to zeke.

When his boy Dubas let Hall go elsewhere for cheap and paid significantly more for veteran leaderbeans instead, all of a sudden Hall’s a well known off-ice cancer around the league who can’t score anymore, and who put the curse of Hall on the Sabres.
 
Not one team in the league wanted to beat a late 2nd for Hall. Blame dubas if you'd like.

And pretend that me being happy with dubas doing an exact trade I suggested is me just fanboying dubas.

And make sure to keep up this fire dubas stuff as the leafs take the presidents trophy.
 
Ah yes, the ultimate goal....the President's Trophy.

Hey, I'm entirely down with judging this Dubas shift into leaderbeanery on it's merits. But it's merits aren't regular season success so miss me with that.

As for Hall, it shouldn't shock anyone that what has largely been a top 5 organization over the last 15 years was entirely good with swooping in on him here.
 
Leaderbeans are a nice bonus.

But this an excellent defensive player that has led one of the best defensive teams.

That's what they traded for.
 
zeke said:
Not one team in the league wanted to beat a late 2nd for Hall. Blame dubas if you'd like.

And pretend that me being happy with dubas doing an exact trade I suggested is me just fanboying dubas.

And make sure to keep up this fire dubas stuff as the leafs take the presidents trophy.
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Nobody’s questioning you on Foligno. You’ve made no secret of your interest in him, going back a while.

But the 180 you’ve pulled on Hall, and the way you started doggedly defending Fred when it started looking like he might still be in our plans...those would be good examples of your fanboi’ing for the Dube.
 
I'm not 180ing anything.

You guys are ripping dubas for not getting Hall - when any playoffs team could have beat that offer but didn't.

Me? I would have been fine with Hall and a bunch of other names. I'm happy we got foligno. Good chance we get some more, too.

But of course leafs nation has to flip out on the day the leafs made a nice add on to their elite team because they didn't get somebody that no team seemed to think was worth more than a late 2nd rounder.

And I've been defending the idea of Freddy being a fine tandem option all year.
 
zeke said:
Leaderbeans are a nice bonus.

But this an excellent defensive player that has led one of the best defensive teams.

That's what they traded for.
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"led one of the best defensive teams"

That team is 20th defensively this season (xGA/60) and he's 33 in the middle of a pedestrian season defensively.
 
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