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MindzEye said:
This isn't the counter argument you think it is, but whatever man. If you want to get snippets of life philosophy from an evangelical grifter, fill your boots.
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This is actually great advice...and a valuable reminder that not all of us here are blessed with luxuries such as a library card, internet access or a television that gets reception beyond community access channels.
 
CH1 said:
This is actually great advice...and a valuable reminder that not all of us here are blessed with luxuries such as a library card, internet access or a television that gets reception beyond community access channels.
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The challenge of course is in sifting the useful from the useless (or flat out damaging). If you have a filter that advanced, not sure what the purpose of the practice is in the first place.

But whatev.
 
MindzEye said:
Btw, you got a couple bucks you could give me?

You know, for upgrades to the house and a good word I'll put in for you with god.
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Have I been paying anyone? And was I looking for someone to deliver a message upstairs for me? I thought I was pretty clear that there's no religious aspect to those tv sermons. That it's a discussion about life and ethics for the most part.

In case none of you noticed yet, this is now one of those occasional FI pile-ons over manufactured bullshit.
 
CH1 said:
This is actually great advice...and a valuable reminder that not all of us here are blessed with luxuries such as a library card, internet access or a television that gets reception beyond community access channels.
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But if there's something of value that comes from such a channel, there's no reason for it to be dismissed and ridiculed.
 
WellPlayed said:
Mine was what you should have said 4 pages ago. But I get it, you like your life coaching from a guy who takes advantage of grandma's.

Since you like your inspiration from hypocritical pieces of shit, check out Bill Cosbys stuff on family values. Great for embroidery on throw pillows.
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Well, you're late to the party, because I initially mentioned having to separate the art from the artist and specifically mentioned him and how his actions don't make The Cosby Show any less of a great tv show.

And I still haven't heard one actual fact-based criticism of this guy. He's built a religious organization no different than every other one out there except from the standpoint of how successful it has become? That's his crime? Who is he swindling, people that like to hear what he has to say and donate money?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
But if there's something of value that comes from such a channel, there's no reason for it to be dismissed and ridiculed.
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I just think if you're seeking insights on ethics you can (and should) do 1000x better than Osteen. It's like someone here posting "hey guys. I found a great pizza spot in Toronto called Pizza Pizza"
 
CH1 said:
I just think if you're seeking insights on ethics you can (and should) do 1000x better than Osteen. It's like someone here posting "hey guys. I found a great pizza spot in Toronto called Pizza Pizza"
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And yet, I've told you, and you should know without my having to tell you, that I've gotten insights on philosophy and life from more than just 3 hours of Osteen lectures. I'm sorry that I mentioned one such source of worthwhile content to you guys. Clearly wasn't a good move on my part.
 
By the way, I should mention to the FI outside content police, that there is this other totally obscure show on some unknown channel, that has an Australian rabbi talking to the camera and picking out one section of the Talmud (basically ancient Hebrew laws and analysis) which he picks apart and discusses over the course of 30 minutes. I have some background in that stuff from elementary and high school, so it's familiar and interesting. But he's very dull, super repetitive, and the production value is nil (him at a desk in a room alone), so I can't bring myself to watch it all that often, but still, I do here and there.

Now, I don't know his name, or what he does in his private life, or how he handles his congregation, but the content of the show has value. Do I need to refrain from watching this one too, or is it permitted without doing a background check on the guy?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Yeah, I've watched a handful of sermons and mentioned that I like them. Yip de fucking doo. I didn't realize that meant I sent him my life savings and am going door to door to get converts.
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I guess the biggest thing is that he's a complete hypocrite on the subjects that he preaches about. If he was giving advice on how to make money then I don't think anyone would give a shit about how he preys on people and is a piece of human garbage. We kinda expect that from business men.

However, he's giving advice on how to be a better person and live a better life, while literally doing the opposite.
 
Habspatrol said:
I guess the biggest thing is that he's a complete hypocrite on the subjects that he preaches about. If he was giving advice on how to make money then I don't think anyone would give a shit about how he preys on people and is a piece of human garbage. We kinda expect that from business men.

However, he's giving advice on how to be a better person and live a better life, while literally doing the opposite.
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But my question to you is how do you know this? What are you basing it on, simply that he's wealthy? If you were to make these claims about him in public (you kind of are), and he called you on it, you'd have to prove the substance of your allegations lest you be held liable for defaming him. So, what would you point to - that (and this is all I've seen so far from you guys) he tells people that it's good to donate to his church, that it will put them in favor with God? If people are religious and they believe this, or if they just like him, his organization, or those sermons and want them all to continue, who is he preying on?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
But my question to you is how do you know this? What are you basing it on, simply that he's wealthy? If you were to make these claims about him in public (you kind of are), and he called you on it, you'd have to prove the substance of your allegations lest you be held liable for defaming him. So, what would you point to - that (and this is all I've seen so far from you guys) he tells people that it's good to donate to his church, that it will put them in favor with God? If people are religious and they believe this, or if they just like him, his organization, or those sermons and want them all to continue, who is he preying on?
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So your argument is "if a snake oil salesman convinces people that his bullshit will help them, and it makes them happy... he's not really a conman."
 
There was the whole, not allowing victims of Hurricane Harvey use his church as shelter thing that was pretty gross.

Even without that though... to live such an extravagant life and such wealth from taking people's money to get them into heaven is really fuckin gross.
 
Habspatrol said:
There was the whole, not allowing victims of Hurricane Harvey use his church as shelter thing that was pretty gross.

Even without that though... to live such an extravagant life and such wealth from taking people's money to get them into heaven is really fuckin gross.
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Don’t worry about the money worry about the message
 
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