Core 4 No More: The Motherfucking Off-Season Thread

[leafman101]

I’m not comparing any of them as players, other than they are all skilled and were signed for cheap to be depth players and none were bad signings.

 

[zeke]

and tbh spezza had fallen off a while before. he hadn't been near a ppg player since like 8 or 9yrs prior to us signing him. had been 4th line quality offense for a few years prior.


Spezza

11-12 (28): 80gms, 1.05ppg
12-13 (29): 5gms, 1.00ppg <--- last near ppg season
13-14 (30): 75gms, 0.88ppg
14-15 (31): 82gms, 0.76ppg
15-16 (32): 75gms, 0.84ppg
16-17 (33): 68gms, 0.74ppg
17-18 (34): 78gms, 0.33ppg <--- huge drop off
18-19 (35): 76gms, 0.36ppg
--- signs with TOR ----
19-20 (36): 58gms, 0.43ppg
20-21 (37): 54gms, 0.59ppg
21-22 (38): 71gms, 0.35ppg


Patches

19-20 (31): 71gms, 0.93ppg
20-21 (32): 48gms, 1.06ppg
21-22 (33): 39gms, 0.95ppg
22-23 (34): 5gms, 0.60ppg
23-24 (35): 47gms, 0.49ppg <-- first time he wasn't near ppg in a while
----signs with TOR---



he might be toast from the injury but he wasn't on some long decline like spezza ws.

 

[MindzEye]

Is someone putting Ennis in the same category as Spezza and Thornton?

2 likely HHOF guys and Tyler Ennis?

Agreed. People need to put some respeck on Tyler Ennis' name.

 

[zeke]

to see what kinds of 4th lines he likes....Berube rosters.....not including deadline additions....

13-14 Flyers

Giroux (26): 82gms 20:26
Read (27): 75gms 18:48
Voracek (24): 82gms 17:15

Couturier (21): 82gms 19:05
Hartnell (31): 78gms 16:53
Simmonds (25): 82gms 16:46

Schenn (22): 82gms 15:45
Lecavalier (33): 69gms 15:11
Raffl (25): 68gms 12:59

Hall (33): 80gms 9:50
Downie (26): 51gms 13:32
Rinaldo (23): 67gms 7:42

VandeVelde (26): 18gms 7:44
McGinn (23): 18gms 11:11
Rosehill (28): 34gms 4:57


Coburn (28): 82gms 22:27
Streit (36): 82gms 20:39

Timonen (38): 77gms 20:20
Grossman (29): 78gms 19:07

Schenn (24): 79gms 16:32
Gustafsson (25): 31gms 17:31
Meszaros (28): 38gms 17:22

For the playoffs, D A.McDonald was added and Grossman was booted down to co-#7 D with Gustafsson. 23yr old rookie came in on the 3rd line and replacing Downie and booting Lecavalier down to the 4th with Hall and Rinaldo. Not sure if Downie was injured or just benched.



14-15 Flyers

Giroux (27): 81gms 20:34
Voracek (25): 82gms 18:36
Read (28): 80gms 17:34

Couturier (22): 82gms 18:23
Schenn (23): 82gms 17:05
Simmonds (26): 75gms 16:48

Bellamare (29): 81gms 12:50
Raffl (26): 67gms 14:12
Umberger (32): 67gms 13:49

Lecavalier (34): 57gms 12:39
Vandevelde (27): 72gms 11:44
Rinaldo (24): 58gms 8:55

Laughton (20): 31gms 12:43
White (26): 34gms 11:43
Cousins (21): 11gms 8;49


Streit (37): 81gms 22:22
DelZotto (24): 64gms 21:55

Coburn (29): 39gms 20:14
MacDonald (28): 58gms 20:01

Schultz (32): 80gms 19:03
Schenn (25): 58gms 18:04

Grossman (30): 68gms 17:39
Colaiacovo (32): 33gms 16:29

Manning (24): 11gms 17:04
Gostisbehere (21): 2gms 12:34



I'll do STL in the next post.

 

[zeke]

STL 18-19

O'Reilly (27): 82gms 20:46
Tarasenko (27): 76gms 18;24
Schwartz (26): 69gms 18:08
Schenn (27): 72gms 18:35
Perron (30): 57gms 17:06
Steen (35): 65gms 15:50

Bozak (32): 72gms 16:21
Maroon (34): 74gms 14;10
Thomas (19): 70gms 13:04

Sundqvist (24): 74gms 13:49
Sanford (24): 60gms 12:35
Barbashev (23): 80gms 11:31

Fabbri (23): 32gms 12:39
Blais (22): 32gms 9:51
MacEachern (24): 29gms 8:02

Kyrou (20): 16gms 9:40
Nolan (29): 14gms 7:56


Pietrangelo (29): 71gms 24:05
Parayko (25): 80gms 22:47

Bouwmeester (35): 78gms 20:44
Edmundson (25): 64gms 19;23

Dunn (22): 78gms 17:32
Gunnarsson (32): 25gms 15:56
Bortuzzo (29): 59gms 15:28




and for the cup run that year....

O'Reilly (27): 26gms 21:00
Tarasenko (27): 26gms 18:19
Perron (30): 26gms 18:12

Schenn (27): 26gms 18:43
Schwartz (26): 26gms 17:28
Sundqvist (24): 25gms 16:08

Bozak (32): 26gms 14:08
Steen (34): 26gms 13:22
Thomas (19): 21gms 13:07

Barbashev (23): 25gms 12:28
Maroon (30): 26gms 12:20
Blais (24): 15gms 11:58

Fabbri (23): 10gms 8:39
Sanford (24): 8gms 10:00



Pietrangelo (29): 26gms 25:45
Parayko (25): 26gms 25:07

Bouwmeester (35): 26gms 23:30
Edmundson (25): 22gms 16:32

Dunn (22): 20gms 15:10
Gunarsson (32): 19gms 14:57
Bortuzzo (29): 17gms 12:19

 

[BG]

Tre also has a 4th line blueprint, but maybe that was a symptom of Calgary recruiting.

 

[mbow30]

I’m not comparing any of them as players, other than they are all skilled and were signed for cheap to be depth players and none were bad signings.

Why would you compare Tyler ennis to mats sundin. Mental midget.

 

[Volcanologist]

The problem with Pacioretty is that the last full season he played was 16-17. if you want to squint a bit we'll call it 19-20.

either way, long fucking time ago

he's not expected to be a key cog though...unlike Chris Tanev...and all of our goalies...

 

[zeke]

STL 19-20

O'Reilly (28): 71gms 20:34
Perron (31): 71gms 18:19
Schwartz (27): 71gms 18:11

Schenn (28): 71gms 18:28
Tarasenko (28): 10gms 16:11
Thomas (20): 66gms 14:34

Bozak (33): 67gms 15:19
Sundqvist (25): 57gms 14:23
Steen (35): 55gms 14:02

Barbashev (24): 69gms 13:27
Sanford (25): 58gms 13:44
Blais (23): 40gms 12:35

DelaRose (24): 34gms 10:01
Kyrou (21): 28gms 10:54
MacEachern (25): 51gms 8:57
Brouwer (34): 13gms 9:28


Pietrangelo (30): 70gms 24:11
Paryako (26): 64gms 23:00

Bouwmeester (36): 56gms 21;34
Faulk (27): 69gms 20:34

Dunn (23): 71gms 16:16
Gunnarsson (36): 36gms 15:47
Bortuzzo (30): 42gms 13:07



And for the playoffs:

O'Reilly (28): 9gms 23:17
Perron (31): 9gms 20:09
Schwartz (27): 9gms 19:39

Schenn (28): 9gms 19:48
Bozak (33): 8gms 18:01
Tarasenko (28): 4gms 17:38

Thomas (20): 8gms 15:51
Sanford (25): 9gms 15:15
Sundqvist (25): 9gms 13:46

Barbashev (24): 3gms 12:08
Steen (35): 4gms 12:03
Blais (23): 8gms 11:30

DeLaRose (24): 5gms 9:35
Kyrou (21): 5gms 8:16
Brouwer (34): 4gms 8:21
MacEachern (25): 5gms 5:46


Pietrangelo (30): 9gms 25:12
Parayko (26): 9gms 22:39

Faulk (27): 9gms 20:54
Scandella (29): 9gms 20:13 (traded for Edmundson)

Dunn (23): 9gms 16:22
Gunnarsson (33): 6gms 16:47
Bortuzzo (30): 3gms 10:14

 

[zeke]

Tre also has a 4th line blueprint, but maybe that was a symptom of Calgary recruiting.

tough to call there.

so far he's added 3 guys clearly pegged for the 4th line - 2 speedy young/youngish guys in dewar and gregor, and one really old goon.

Lorentz would be the 4th guy who would clearly be only a 4th line type but we'll see if he's actually signed or not. And if he's just there if Kampf is traded or not.

 

[zeke]

STL 20-21


O'Reilly (29): 56gms 20:45
Perron (32): 56gms 18:33
Schwartz (28): 40gms 17:42

Schenn (29): 56gms 19:09
Tarasenko (29): 24gms 17:25
Sundqvist (26): 28gms 15:09

Bozak (34): 31gms 14:55
Hoffman (31): 52gms 15:04
Sanford (26): 52gms 14:53

Thomas (21): 33gms 13:36
Kyrou (22): 55gms 14:25
Barbashev (25): 38gms 13:21

DelaRose (25): 13gms 10:12
Blais (24): 36gms 12:04
Clifford (30): 50gms 9:56

Johnson (24): 12gms 8:58
MacEachern (26): 21gms 9:42
Walker (28): 8gms 13:30


Faulk (28): 56gms 24:16
Krug (29): 51gms 22:33

Parayako (27): 32gms 21:20
Scandella (30): 49gms 19:57

Dunn (24): 43gms 19:15
Mikkola (24): 30gms 14:31

Walman (24): 24gms 14:28
Gunnarsson (34): 12gms 14:26
Bortuzzo (31): 40gms 14:10






Playoffs.....


O'Reilly (29): 4gms 21:07
Schwartz (28): 4gms 18:27
Tarasenko (29): 4gms 16:59

Schenn (29): 4gms 19:34
Bozak (34): 4gms 16:13
Hoffman (31): 4gms 15:35

Thomas (21): 4gms 15:09
Barbashev (25) 4gms 15:04
Kyrou (22): 4gms 14:06

Sanford (26): 4gms 10:32
Blais (24): 4gms 11:08
Clifford (30): 4gms 7:57


Parayko (27): 4gms 25:48
Krug (29): 4gms 24:20

Faulk (28): 2gms 20:39
Scandella (30): 4gms 19:30

Mikkola (24): 4gms 14:40
Walman (24): 1gms 15:24

Santini (25): 2gms 14:16
Bortuzzo (31): 2gms 12:43
Reinki (24): 1gms 9:19

Sundqvist and Dunn were injured for the playoffs.

 

[zeke]

21-22

O'Reilly (30): 78gms 19:05
Buchnevich (26): 73gms 18:18
Schenn (30): 62gms 17:47

Thomas (22): 72gms 18:46
Perron (33): 67gms 16:59
Tarasenko (30): 75gms 16:55

Barbashev (26): 81gms 16:26
Kyrou (23): 74gms 16:35
Saad (29): 78gms 16:16

Bozak (35): 50gms 12:10
Sundqvist (27): 41gms 13:21
Walker (27): 30gms 11:33

Brown (23): 39gms 10:11
Toropchenko (22): 28gms 10:43
Kostin (22): 40gms 9:01

Joshua (25): 30gms 8:30
MacEachern (27): 14gms 7:58


Parayko (28): 80gms 23:34
Faulk (29): 76gms 23:12

Krug (30): 64gms, 20;34
Scandella (31): 70gms 18:08

Mikkola (25): 54gms 16:59
Bortuzzo (32): 73gms 13:44

Walman (25): 32gms 11:59
Perunovich (23): 19gms 15:27
Rosen (27): 18gms 14:20



Playoffs.....

O'Reilly (30): 12gms 21:24
Perron (33): 12gms 19:50
Buchnevich (26): 12gms 18:55

Thomas (22): 12gms 18:45
Schenn (30): 12gms 18:11
Tarasenko (30): 12gms 16:59

Barbashev (26): 12gms 13:26
Saad (29): 12gms 16:32
Kyrou (23): 12gms 15:47

Bozak (35): 12gms 9:41
Toropchenko (22): 12gms 8:50
Walker (27): 4gms 8:17
Joshua (25): 1gms 8:36


Faulk (29): 12gms 25:58
Parayko (28); 12gms 25:24

Leddy (30): 9gms 21:31 (traded for Walman and Sundqvist)
Krug (30): 3gms 14:38 / Rosen (27): 9gms 14:28

Mikkola (25): 12gms 15:39
Scandella (31): 4gms 11:13 / Perunovich 7gms 10:49
Bortuzzo (32): 10gms 10:38

 

[CH1]

I've just simply never liked the guy.

And he was a stinking hab to boot.

We used to call him PatioReady for his playoff production

 

[zeke]

22-23 STL

Thomas (23): 73gms 19:21
Buchnevich (27): 63gms 19:27
Kyrou (24): 79gms 18:00

Schenn (31): 82gms 18:26
O'Reilly (31): 40gms 18:24 / Kapanen (26): 23gms 16:45
Tarasenko (31): 38gms 17:31 / Blais (26): 31gms 14:36

Barbashev (27): 59gms 16:24
Saad (30): 71gms 16:39
Acciari (31): 54gms 14:35 / Vrana (26): 20gms 15:10

Brown (24): 30gms 10:24
Neighbours (20): 43gms 12:26
Toropchenko (23): 69gms 12:05

Walker (27): 56gms 10:17
Leivo (29): 51gms 11:53
Pitlick (31): 61gms 10:05
Alexandrov (22): 28gms 9:49


Faulk (30): 82gms 23:23
Paryako (29): 79gms 23:00

Leddy (31): 78gms 21:07
Krug (31): 63gms 18;35

Scandella (32): 20gms 17:50 / Tucker (22): 26gms 14:39
Mikkola (26): 50gms 16:39

Rosen (28): 49gms 15;36
Bortuzzo (33): 43gms 12:34

 

[zeke]

STL start of 23-24


Thomas (24): 28gms 20:35
Buchnevich (28): 26gms 19:30
Kyrou (25): 28gms 18:04

Schenn (32): 28gms 17:16
Kapanen (27): 28gms 15:26
Saad (31): 28gms 15:21

Hayes (31): 28gms 14:55
Neighbours (21): 28gms 14:27
Vrana (27): 19gms 12:18

Sundqvist (29): 28gms 13:41
Toropchenko (24): 28gms 11;32
Blais (27): 25gms 10:41

Alexandrov (23): 10gms 7:28
McCing (25): 2gms 6:33



Parayko (30): 28gms 23:15
Faulk (31): 28gms 22:26

Krug (32): 28gms 21:37
Leddy (32): 28gms 21:30

Scandella (33): 26gms 12:56
Perunovich (25): 17gms 14:10

Tucker (23): 11gms 13:10
Bortuzzo (34): 4gms 10;24

 

[zeke]

Yeah can't see much of an unskilled grit bias for berube when it comes to the 4th lines. Or an age bias.

He seems fine with playing youth and skill on the bottom lines.

 

[zeke]

D pairs for the blues cup run were Bo-Parayko, then Pietro with one of Gunnarsson or Edmundson.

So i could definitely see a McCabe-Tanev shutdown pairing, and then Rielly paired with Hakanpaa.

 

[LeafGm]

We used to call him PatioReady for his playoff production

Ahh, so that’s why we brought him in. He’ll fit right in with our group.

 

[leafman101]

He’s had 5 career 5 goal playoff runs.

The core 4 combined has 4.

 

[leafman101]

One thing that stands out in Berube's usage: Couturier, Schenn,Laughton, Thomas, Kyrou, Dunn, Blais, Neighbours all got relatively significant playing time at 20-23, and didn't get benched in the playoffs.