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Core 4 No More: The Motherfucking Off-Season Thread

"stay playful"

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The idea probably sounds good in the boardroom when being pitched by the social media team...?
 
I don't give a fuck what they put on their helmets or sweaters.

Just fucking win a fucking cup before I'm to fucking old to know what the fuck's going on.
 
So do we think this is likely the best D-corps of the Matthews Era or no?

I think the Dcorps only became actually good when both Muzzin and Brodie were added, so I'd only compare it those dcorps.

And i wouldn't include last year, because Brodie's implosion really fucked us and we never recovered (didn't help that our big D signing was fucking Klinger of course).

And really the 22-23 regular season doesn't really belong either, though after we added McCabe at the deadline it gets in there.


So there's 20-21, 21-22, 22-23, and this year in the competition IMO.

20-21 Season ---> Playoffs

Rielly (26) 55gms, 23:37 ---> Rielly (26) 7gms, 25:48
Muzzin (31) 53gms, 21:35 ---> Brodie (30) 7gms, 22:35

Brodie (30) 56gms, 21:33 ---> Holl (29) 7gms, 21:28
Holl (29) 55gms, 21:04 ---> Muzzin (31) 6gms, 19:30

Bogosian (30) 45gms, 14:32 ---> Bogosian (30) 7gms, 15:00
Dermott (24) 51gms, 13:13 ---> Dermott (24) 3gms, 16:15
Sandin (20) 9gms, 14:40 ---> Sandin (20) 5gms, 13:13


21-22 Season ---> Playoffs

Rielly (27) 82gms, 23:44 ---> Rielly (27) 7gms, 22:35
Brodie (31) 82gms, 82gms, 21:19 ---> Brodie (31) 7gms, 22:47

Muzzin (32) 47gms, 20:44 / Dermott (25) 43gms, 14:43 ---> Muzzin (32) 7gms, 22:11
Holl (30) 69gms, 20:12 ---> Giordano (38) 7gms, 20:07

Liljegren (22) 61gms, 16:24 / Giordano (38) 20gms, 19:12 ---> Holl (30) 5gms, 16:50 / Liljegren 2gms, 19:28
Sandin (21) 51gms, 16:58 / Lyubushkin (27) 31gms, 16:28 ---> Lyubushkin (27) 7gms, 13:55


22-23 Season ---> Playoffs

Rielly (28) 65gms, 21:43 ---> Rielly (28) 11gms, 24:09
Brodie (32) 58gms, 21:13 ---> Brodie (32) 11gms, 23:20

Sandin (22) 57gms, 17:59 / McCabe (29) 21gms, 19:28 ---> McCabe (29) 11gms, 21:00
Holl (31) 80gms, 20:14 ---> Schenn (33) 11gms, 17:27

Giordano (39) 78gms, 18:57 ---> Giordano (39) 11gms, 14:53
Liljegren (23) 67gms, 17:55 / Schenn (33) 15gms, 13:18 ---> Holl (31) 8gms, 19:45 / Liljegren 5gms, 15:16
Gustafsson (30) 9gms, 15:45 ---> Gustafsson (30) 2gms, 10:03


24-25 Season

Rielly (30)
McCabe (31)

Tanev (35)
OEL (33)

Liljegren (25)
Hakanpaa (32)

Benoit (26)
Timmins (26)




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I guess I'd say that there's a solid chance they're the best unit - as long as anyone doesn't fall too far off their performances from last year (which given some of those ages is unfortunately a decent possibility, but i still won't say it's actually likely that any of them fall off a cliff).

But imo McCabe is giving us what Muzzin gave us - high end two-way impact in big and tough minutes. And Tanev last year was at least as good as peak Brodie, and probably better when including gritty leaderbeans. So in terms of the "Big 3" there we should have at least as good a group as we've had in this era, and possibly better.

The #4 slot also seems to have better options - whether it's OEL in a Holl/Gio type role or Hakanpaa in a Boosh/Schenn role.

Lilly is still a wildcard unfortunately but hopefully he can be regular season Lilly and not playoffs Lilly.

And then of course we all liked Benoit last year even when he was being asked to do too much on a shutdown pair, so I don't think anyone minds if he's in the lineup (though hopefully that would be more at the expense of a Hakanpaa than a Lilly).
 
So Hak will be out a while, so we can assume Benoit will be in and timmins as #7.

If a puck mover goes down and Hak is healthy I worry we see 2 him and Benoit on the 3rd pair and given the "shutdown" assignment.
 
zeke said:
So do we think this is likely the best D-corps of the Matthews Era or no?

I think the Dcorps only became actually good when both Muzzin and Brodie were added, so I'd only compare it those dcorps.

And i wouldn't include last year, because Brodie's implosion really fucked us and we never recovered (didn't help that our big D signing was fucking Klinger of course).

And really the 22-23 regular season doesn't really belong either, though after we added McCabe at the deadline it gets in there.


So there's 20-21, 21-22, 22-23, and this year in the competition IMO.

20-21 Season ---> Playoffs

Rielly (26) 55gms, 23:37 ---> Rielly (26) 7gms, 25:48
Muzzin (31) 53gms, 21:35 ---> Brodie (30) 7gms, 22:35

Brodie (30) 56gms, 21:33 ---> Holl (29) 7gms, 21:28
Holl (29) 55gms, 21:04 ---> Muzzin (31) 6gms, 19:30

Bogosian (30) 45gms, 14:32 ---> Bogosian (30) 7gms, 15:00
Dermott (24) 51gms, 13:13 ---> Dermott (24) 3gms, 16:15
Sandin (20) 9gms, 14:40 ---> Sandin (20) 5gms, 13:13


21-22 Season ---> Playoffs

Rielly (27) 82gms, 23:44 ---> Rielly (27) 7gms, 22:35
Brodie (31) 82gms, 82gms, 21:19 ---> Brodie (31) 7gms, 22:47

Muzzin (32) 47gms, 20:44 / Dermott (25) 43gms, 14:43 ---> Muzzin (32) 7gms, 22:11
Holl (30) 69gms, 20:12 ---> Giordano (38) 7gms, 20:07

Liljegren (22) 61gms, 16:24 / Giordano (38) 20gms, 19:12 ---> Holl (30) 5gms, 16:50 / Liljegren 2gms, 19:28
Sandin (21) 51gms, 16:58 / Lyubushkin (27) 31gms, 16:28 ---> Lyubushkin (27) 7gms, 13:55


22-23 Season ---> Playoffs

Rielly (28) 65gms, 21:43 ---> Rielly (28) 11gms, 24:09
Brodie (32) 58gms, 21:13 ---> Brodie (32) 11gms, 23:20

Sandin (22) 57gms, 17:59 / McCabe (29) 21gms, 19:28 ---> McCabe (29) 11gms, 21:00
Holl (31) 80gms, 20:14 ---> Schenn (33) 11gms, 17:27

Giordano (39) 78gms, 18:57 ---> Giordano (39) 11gms, 14:53
Liljegren (23) 67gms, 17:55 / Schenn (33) 15gms, 13:18 ---> Holl (31) 8gms, 19:45 / Liljegren 5gms, 15:16
Gustafsson (30) 9gms, 15:45 ---> Gustafsson (30) 2gms, 10:03


24-25 Season

Rielly (30)
McCabe (31)

Tanev (35)
OEL (33)

Liljegren (25)
Hakanpaa (32)

Benoit (26)
Timmins (26)




​
I guess I'd say that there's a solid chance they're the best unit - as long as anyone doesn't fall too far off their performances from last year (which given some of those ages is unfortunately a decent possibility, but i still won't say it's actually likely that any of them fall off a cliff).

But imo McCabe is giving us what Muzzin gave us - high end two-way impact in big and tough minutes. And Tanev last year was at least as good as peak Brodie, and probably better when including gritty leaderbeans. So in terms of the "Big 3" there we should have at least as good a group as we've had in this era, and possibly better.

The #4 slot also seems to have better options - whether it's OEL in a Holl/Gio type role or Hakanpaa in a Boosh/Schenn role.

Lilly is still a wildcard unfortunately but hopefully he can be regular season Lilly and not playoffs Lilly.

And then of course we all liked Benoit last year even when he was being asked to do too much on a shutdown pair, so I don't think anyone minds if he's in the lineup (though hopefully that would be more at the expense of a Hakanpaa than a Lilly).
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okay that's the bull case. there's a bear case too.

all of our top-4 are over 30, for starters.

none of our current D match what Muzz brought - McCabe can keep up defensively, but has never been close offensively.

Rielly is older and slower.

Tanev may be better than Brodie but I'd be shocked if he played over 70 games for us. and I expect there to be age-related decline, too.

OEL... has had what, one decent season in the last like eight?

Lilly is a wild card, although I'm hopeful he finally figures it out. he also may not.

Hakanpaa may not even be healthy this year.

Benoit's a fine #7 though.
 
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