Rolex
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The ''new'' French demographic are not aging...they are mostly from immigrant backgroup (Maghreb mostly)....which prefer soccer/football
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Sal_Butera
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Ok aging pure laine population...happy?
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
was it the cost? the physical risk?
here in Ontario, so many of my friends/acquaintances dedicate a crazy amount of their resources (time/money) to enrolling their kids into hockey schools and tournaments all over the continent. It's bananas.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Look at divorce rates for your answers. Putting a kid through hockey is too expensive and time consuming for most two parent families, let alone single parent households. There's no free icetime to be had and thanks to global warming lakes and rivers don't freeze over hard enough or long enough. Kids in general have more distractions competing for their attention. the Quebec minor hockey system is a meat grinder. I've seen people heckling 8 year old kids and 15 year old referees.
But mostly it comes down to competition. Quebec born players had a higher profile back when the league had 6 teams, 120 players and no foreigners. Today the league has close to 800 active players from all over the globe. Quebec accounts for about 50-60 of those 800 and we know that the vast majority of them are not in any way elite.
Rolex
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Quebec is not Ontario....my impression is that immigrants in Ontario (english culture) integrate more to the welcoming culture, as opposed to French culture.
Want an example: look at England vs France....in England, the immigrants integrate well, they consider themselves British. In France, it's chaos...French vs English cultures.
Same here vs Ontario....
Just my 2 cents (being an immigrant myself)
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Ya, but most of the immigrants to Ontario can't afford hockey or are generally not interested (ie middle class and wealthy folks form China).
I get the sense that in Ontario, even in Toronto, kids playing hockey is as normal as them going to summer camp.
In Quebec, hockey players were usually from small towns -- that seems to have dried up.
Sal_Butera
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CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Ontario's population is also driven by immigration from non-hockey nations. But the old school wasps (with low childbirth rates) are still pumping out the likes of Josh Anderson, Paul Byron, Jake Evans, Nick Suzuki, Eric Staal, Corey Perry, Tyler Toffoli, Ben Chiarot --- and that's just on the Habs. Even adjusting for population, that's an insane amount of product.
Sal_Butera
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CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
that was my initial stated hypothesis -- money with a side order of changing values
culture is very much a monkey see -- monkey do dynamic....and the collective urge to send kids to hockey camps is yuge in my extended circle
Rolex
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more like shootings on a daily basis now
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Enjoy
I don't think there's AAA hockey in Quebec until midget. The AAA teams in the GTHL will probably produce 10 NHL players, if not more, for every birth year.
Sal_Butera
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FWIW - around 14:30 min, Weise says Jo Jo was old school in tactics & style (belittles young players etc), but puts on a front by selling himself as a good communicator and tactician, but his strategies revolve around out working the opponent not anything more creative
Says today’s players respond to Cooper types not old school disciplinarian types.
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WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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They may consider themselves British but many Britons would disagree, if the outpouring of racism in response to England's loss in the Euro is any indication.
And I doubt that Ontario is as welcoming as you think it is, given that Derek Sloan was elected to Parliament.