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Habs Season Thread: 2024-25 Regular Season

Sal_Butera said:
I don’t have this blind faith in Gorton as being the amateur draft panacea as many do I guess, his NYR history of drafting & development mirrors the Habs over last 40-years.

Like TTs 2007 draft, Gorton’s 2006 draft looks like an outlier as well.
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I think GMs gets too much credit, or blame, for specific picks. They depend a lot on their scouts, but they are ultimate the ones responsible for their scout performances.
 
Over the course of a decade? That’s management.

How did Timmins last so long? Why were players rushed? Player development? Why did (a seemingly effective) Bouchard leave on such weird terms? Bad contracts? Markov?

And apparently the Habs did not invest in the high end skills perfection coaching (skating, face offs) as has been done elsewhere. How is that possible?

On a day to day basis, it’s the players first and then the coaches. But management incompetence slowly builds, one increment of stupid after another until you are faced with giant wall of stupid. And that’s what Gorton and Hughes need to gradually unwind over the next few years (with a flat cap.)
 
lecoqsportif said:
Over the course of a decade? That’s management.

How did Timmins last so long? Why were players rushed? Player development? Why did (a seemingly effective) Bouchard leave on such weird terms? Bad contracts? Markov?

And apparently the Habs did not invest in the high end skills perfection coaching (skating, face offs) as has been done elsewhere. How is that possible?

On a day to day basis, it’s the players first and then the coaches. But management incompetence slowly builds, one increment of stupid after another until you are faced with giant wall of stupid. And that’s what Gorton and Hughes need to gradually unwind over the next few years (with a flat cap.)
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Exactly

No system is perfect but when its a shit show in every department , thats ridiculous
 
All you can ask for from a GM is that they implement a process based system adhered to by everyone in the office over multiple years.

This is your only chance at sustained success

Bergevin didn’t know what he wanted year to year and often let emotions cloud whatever plan he managed to scribble on a napkin
 
CH1 said:
All you can ask for from a GM is that they implement a process based system adhered to by everyone in the office over multiple years.

This is your only chance at sustained success

Bergevin didn’t know what he wanted year to year and often let emotions cloud whatever plan he managed to scribble on a napkin
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Its starts first and foremost with a clear understanding of where your team is in the NHL food chain

What are you ? contender ....dreaded middle, window over , cap hell , etc...

Then proceed with a structured plan to make common sense decisions

You are correct , every figurehead has to be on the same page

Problem is stick with the plan to fruition , no half ass measures

Common sense actions >>>>> everything and that includes analytics and other facets of your team
 
most important, can't deviate from your plan because you're suddenly on a 4 game win streak....or can't draft Michael McCrap because you just lost to the Sens
 
CH1 said:
most important, can't deviate from your plan because you're suddenly on a 4 game win streak....or can't draft Michael McCrap because you just lost to the Sens
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This new regime has only one direction to take ....Tank
 
CH1 said:
I hope not....because that's the easy part. Look at the Sabres.
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What else can they do ?

2/3 of this team has no future in next 2 years or is too old to keep beyond that

Sure some experiments dont work but Buffalo had shitheads running the show

I would take my chances with skilled drafted kids over hoping Gally and Drouin turn into Kane and Ovechkin

This is the same situation as Yzerman taking over Detroit

Patiently unwinding bad contracts , drafting wisely and develop a stable base of kids to be your next core

Pick up a vet here and there to buy time and keep developing
 
The real immediate challenge is off the ice…. Assemble a front office and a scouting network that can kick ass
 
CH1 said:
The real immediate challenge is off the ice…. Assemble a front office and a scouting network that can kick ass
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Great that takes a few years , there is no immediate turnaround on the ice

No base to work with , shit contracts , very few current roster pieces to move forward with
 
GEEMAN said:
Its starts first and foremost with a clear understanding of where your team is in the NHL food chain

What are you ? contender ....dreaded middle, window over , cap hell , etc...

Then proceed with a structured plan to make common sense decisions

You are correct , every figurehead has to be on the same page

Problem is stick with the plan to fruition , no half ass measures

Common sense actions >>>>> everything and that includes analytics and other facets of your team
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Understanding your plan in the food chain gas no bearing on maximizing scouting and player development, or any department really. It only affects roster decisions and trades.
 
GrandWazoo said:
Understanding your plan in the food chain gas no bearing on maximizing scouting and player development, or any department really. It only affects roster decisions and trades.
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Exactly , but you could improve every aspect of your team but still make huge mistakes

What if Gorton decides its just a small retool and keep trying to win by dumping kids and prospects to keep kicking the can down the road ?

What good is drafting better over the next 3 years if your still trying to move the train with no direction
 
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