• Moderators, please send me a PM if you are unable to access mod permissions. Thanks, Habsy.

Habs Season Thread: 2024-25 Regular Season

Rolex said:
As Pierre Rinfret mentioned yesterday on the radio: we have 9M of cap space towards two players that don't move the needle for us (Drouin-Byron). That's an incredible amount, 9M, for what we are getting in return.
Click to expand...
So which superstar will waive their NTC / NMC for Mtl for the first time ever?
 
GrandWazoo said:
If he was worth 2 seconds then he was worth a 4 years/3.4M contract, you can't have it both ways.

He had value for sure, but I though the contract at the time was too much too long. Mostly too long. Same money on a 2-3 years contract and I wouldn't mind, but also we were rebuilding at the time so the pick(s) had more value to us. Finally he's never been the same since that stupid fight, because urr-durr the code.
Click to expand...
Sure you can. In fact, it's quite easy to have it both ways.

Foligno just got traded for a first & more, nobody in their right mind would argue that if he got a long-term contract from Toronto, it'd be good.

Blake Coleman got traded for a 1st+ last year, you want to give him a contract similar to what Paul Byron got? Hell no.

Byron had value because he was cheap and productive. The fact that he got waived twice in his career prior to when he broke out is completely irrelevant.
 
Habsy said:
You guys love speaking with such certainty on very subjective topics. Makes me tune you out. You keep making assumptions like MB didn’t try to move him ever. You forget he was waived twice. It’s so easy arm chairing this crap with certainty eh?
Click to expand...
Pretty sure The Charlatan publicly said (for the little his word is worth) he wasn't going to trade Byron.
 
GGpX said:
Sure you can. In fact, it's quite easy to have it both ways.

Foligno just got traded for a first & more, nobody in their right mind would argue that if he got a long-term contract from Toronto, it'd be good.

Blake Coleman got traded for a 1st+ last year, you want to give him a contract similar to what Paul Byron got? Hell no.

Byron had value because he was cheap and productive. The fact that he got waived twice in his career prior to when he broke out is completely irrelevant.
Click to expand...
sure but he wasnt worth 2 seconds
just like he wasnt worth his contract
 
worm said:
sure but he wasnt worth 2 seconds
just like he wasnt worth his contract
Click to expand...
I don't think he was ever worth two seconds, no.

I thought he was worth one, which would have been a late second to a contending team.

And if that's all we could have gotten from Byron, so be it.
 
GGpX said:
Sure you can. In fact, it's quite easy to have it both ways.

Foligno just got traded for a first & more, nobody in their right mind would argue that if he got a long-term contract from Toronto, it'd be good.

Blake Coleman got traded for a 1st+ last year, you want to give him a contract similar to what Paul Byron got? Hell no.

Byron had value because he was cheap and productive. The fact that he got waived twice in his career prior to when he broke out is completely irrelevant.
Click to expand...

If we had traded Byron at the 2018 deadline, then yeah, we could have gotten something close, although probably not as much as Coleman and Foligno because you know, size.
 
GrandWazoo said:
If we had traded Byron at the 2018 deadline, then yeah, we could have gotten something close, although probably not as much as Coleman and Foligno because you know, size.
Click to expand...
Coleman's an inch or two bigger than Byron, he's not a giant.

Coleman got a first in return because while he's not some superstar player, he's good and he had a year & a half left on his contract at very cheap.

The Foligno trade is... I don't know. Can't explain that. I wouldn't have given a 1st for Foligno, even a late first.
 
CH1 said:
The Leafs resisted rebuilding for 40 yrs....Habs might resist it for another 5, 10, 15 years? but at some point a rebuild is thrust upon you.
Click to expand...

Leafs had no choice , fan revolt was around the corner

Empty seats and boxes , less merchandise sold etc....

My buddy was working with MLSE on some IT projects and he could see the tension that change was needed

Gut jobs or retools are painful and sometimes don't work if managed poorly

Patch jobs and kicking the can down the road with poor drafting ….never work long term
 
CH1 said:
Paul Byron was a great bargain basement find; the lesson is to keep finding those guys (we certainly can't find stars) but not overpay the ones that work out.
Click to expand...

Yup , just like the lesson is develop Alzners and Edmunson then move them when they want to get paid
 
GrandWazoo said:
If we had traded Byron at the 2018 deadline, then yeah, we could have gotten something close, although probably not as much as Coleman and Foligno because you know, size.
Click to expand...

The point is we paid and 1 year later it was a shit contract

That is a bad deal in my books , and a reach .
 
Byron when he was 20 goal scorer could get us a 2nd rounder. Easy...
Not this Byron.. Still if this Byron had half of his current salary he was gone long time ago on waivers
 
CH1 said:
At some point, Habs org will not have a choice
Click to expand...

It has to at some point

You cant have a putrid draft and development record and just patch

You can get away with good trading but it needs to be supplemented with good drafting
 
GGpX said:
Coleman's an inch or two bigger than Byron, he's not a giant.

Coleman got a first in return because while he's not some superstar player, he's good and he had a year & a half left on his contract at very cheap.

The Foligno trade is... I don't know. Can't explain that. I wouldn't have given a 1st for Foligno, even a late first.
Click to expand...

Coleman is a very good comparable to Byron, he had a very good year, 21 goals in 57 games, was versatile, cheap with a year and a half left. Which is why I mentioned the 2018 deadline.

5'11 180lbs vs 5'9 160lbs is a big difference for coaches and GMs.
 
CH1 said:
The Leafs resisted rebuilding for 40 yrs....Habs might resist it for another 5, 10, 15 years? but at some point a rebuild is thrust upon you.
Click to expand...
It’s remarkable that we managed to come out empty handed in terms of elite/superstar talent from having two top 3 picks in a 5-year span

In that same span, Leafs got Rielly and Matthews with their top 5 picks

Luck of the draw....
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top