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The Site C dam in British Columbia | The Narwhal

The 1,100 megawatt hydro dam under construction on Peace River is the most expensive publicly funded infrastructure project in B.C. history
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The Site C dam became a major election issue in the May 2017 B.C. election, with the B.C. NDP vowing to send the Site C dam for an independent review by the B.C. Utilities Commission if elected. The NDP were sworn in as the new government of British Columbia on July 18 and sent the dam for an expedited review by the B.C. Utilities Commission shortly after. A final report released Nov. 1 found the project is behind schedule and over budget and could be replaced by alternatives for $8.8 billion of less.


The B.C. government announced it would proceed with Site C on December 11, 2017.
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anne25 said:
Quoting the whole statement make a big difference. Of course just using a small portion changes the whole meaning and is more advantageous for political opponents.
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Nah, when you measure his full statement against the historical record, there's a bucket of half truths and white washing in his opinion. Within the context of trying to help conservative kids "win arguments" against liberals of their own age on campus this is a shitshow of a take on a shitshow of a topic.

Sometimes we just need to take our loss with dignity and do our best to fix the problems left to us by previous generations. Residential Schools are one of those times. When your program starts with the forcible removal of children from their parents, and it gets worse from there, what are we even trying to score points for in "arguments"?
 
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Even advising kids to engage in the subject in an adversarial way is dumb as fuck. "Residential schools were bad, but the government was just trying to educate (the savages...shhhh)" by some whitey mcwhiteperson is like some german kid named Henrich Von Douchestein writing an essay "the holocaust was bad, but no cost train travel was a highlight"

It's just not a helpful or insightful take.
 
anne25 said:
Quoting the whole statement make a big difference. Of course just using a small portion changes the whole meaning and is more advantageous for political opponents.
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I did have a look at his whole statement when this story broke, and I will at least credit that O’Toole wasn’t trying to argue that Residential schools were a “good thing.”

But what he was trying to do, in the context of defending Egerton Ryerson and scoring cheap political points, was try and argue that the intentions of the architects of Residential schools were noble, since their main motivation was to provide education.

And that’s just...not true at all. It actually would’ve been kind of cool if the government at the time had prioritized proving educational opportunities for Natives, and opened up voluntary day schools, where they’d be taught practical skills like reading & writing, modern trades of the day, things like math and science, etc.

But when you go back and look at the arguments of people like Ryerson, they’re hyper-focused in their belief that Natives were “savages”, and that they needed to be ripped away from their families so as to better erase their own culture and connections to their families and replace them with the superior culture and religious beliefs of white Canadians.

And aside from O’Toole being wrong on that, I also don’t see the upside in trying to train college kids on how to “win” debates about Residential schools. And I also find O’Toole’s enthusiasm for culture warrior BS unsettling and pretty discouraging.
 
Wayward DP said:
as leader of the conservative party I do think it is necessary to feed the mouthbreathers. he just got caught
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That's exactly what this is. The book on old Timmy O'Toole has always been that he'll say what he really thinks behind literally any closed door and then just walk it back to what he thinks he needs to publicly say if he ever gets caught. His whole schtick is to appear as a social moderate. It's his ability to dog whistle when only conservatives are listening and say the right things when it's a broader audience that got him this far.
 
MindzEye said:
That's exactly what this is. The book on old Timmy O'Toole has always been that he'll say what he really thinks behind literally any closed door and then just walk it back to what he thinks he needs to publicly say if he ever gets caught. His whole schtick is to appear as a social moderate. It's his ability to dog whistle when only conservatives are listening and say the right things when it's a broader audience that got him this far.
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Sounds like what you'd find on Page 1 of the conservative politician playbook, pre-Trump.
 
so where the fuck is Dougie these days? shit keeps getting worse in ON and the guy is.... ? staggering incompetence and negligence by his government recently. seem to be trying the American approach of 'mostly ignore it'. if I was living in Ontario I would be livid.

and then of course there is Kenney, but I'm not even going to go there.
 
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