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Altair said:
Because they won't leave on their own, they will need to be pushed out, which makes Trudeau look even worst.

Feminist PM kicking out two former female cabinet ministers because they don't like him? Optics... Very bad.
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Don’t forget the female MP who is not running again because of her treatment by Trudeau.
 
As an AnMerican, it is quite refreshing to see actual policies being debated with the goal of improving the country. Funny what can happen when one of your major political parties isn't a literal terrorist organization bent on selling out the country for personal profit. Gosh bless Canada, and may your country never suffer the same fate as mine.
 
anne25 said:
Don’t forget the female MP who is not running again because of her treatment by Trudeau.
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Yup.

Native American Woman, check

Caucasian Woman, check

Black Woman, check.

So every face of progressive feminism reconciliation is currently slowly tearing down his brand, with two of the three, the most visible and former cabinet ministers to boot, are still in the party and planning to run again.

To boot them now would only lead to more backlash.

After the election though, should he win (which I'm betting these two women are banking on him not winning) they are toast.
 
GordonWallace said:
As an AnMerican, it is quite refreshing to see actual policies being debated with the goal of improving the country. Funny what can happen when one of your major political parties isn't a literal terrorist organization bent on selling out the country for personal profit. Gosh bless Canada, and may your country never suffer the same fate as mine.
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thanks gordo!
 
Altair said:
Yup.

Native American Woman, check

Caucasian Woman, check

Black Woman, check.

So every face of progressive feminism reconciliation is currently slowly tearing down his brand, with two of the three, the most visible and former cabinet ministers to boot, are still in the party and planning to run again.

To boot them now would only lead to more backlash.

After the election though, should he win (which I'm betting these two women are banking on him not winning) they are toast.
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I feel as though you reach a point where caucus members consistently acting to undermine you simply has to be dealt with. And for me, that point has arrived. Then again, I couldn't give fewer shits about all Trudeau's virtue signalling crap that is so essential to his brand.

In many ways he did make this mess. I have no idea how he cleans it up.

But make no mistake, JWR and Philpott are, seemingly deliberately, consistently working to undermine their party. Neil McDonald had a good write up about the situation on CBC. Will track down the link.
 
anne25 said:
Don’t forget the female MP who is not running again because of her treatment by Trudeau.
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nowhere in her statement explaining her decision not to run again does she say this. in fact, she specifically says her decision was not relate to SNC-Lavalin.

the business about 'hostility' came out after all this
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau-philpott-wilson-raybould-end-game-1.5070419

Perhaps Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott are acting entirely on principle, laying their bodies across the tracks to protect our democracy and rule of law. Perhaps.

That's their story, anyway. And it's a good one, too, no denying that. A politician cannot buy the kind of hagiography Philpott has enjoyed since she quit Justin Trudeau's cabinet in solidarity with Wilson-Raybould, who is herself now portrayed as single-handedly protecting the justice system's integrity from attacks by crude ward heelers in the PMO. A fellow political columnist suggested last week that Philpott should resign as a Liberal because she is so immensely competent, so strong, and so principled that her fellow party members simply aren't worthy of being in caucus with her.

Mmm-hmm.

In any case, Philpott and Wilson-Raybould are politicians who are being treated as though they aren't politicians, which is every politician's lustiest dream.
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Wayward DP said:
nowhere in her statement explaining her decision not to run again does she say this. in fact, she specifically says her decision was not relate to SNC-Lavalin.

the business about 'hostility' came out after all this
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You are right, it is not about SNC- Lavalin. She did say it was for personal reasons.

However, She had earlier challenged his leadership style after Trudeau had said that his leadership style fosters an environment where ministers, caucus and staff feel comfortable coming to me when they have concerns.

Her statement to that was, “ I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions? “
 
anne25 said:
You are right, it is not about SNC- Lavalin. She did say it was for personal reasons.

However, She had earlier challenged his leadership style after Trudeau had said that his leadership style fosters an environment where ministers, caucus and staff feel comfortable coming to me when they have concerns.

Her statement to that was, “ I did come to you recently. Twice. Remember your reactions? “
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clearly whatever he said the first time didn't deter her from coming a second time.

and to be honest, I think anything that Celina, JWR, or Philpott say publicly needs to be taken with a huge grain of salt. there is a clear endgame here.
 
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...ad-ipsos-poll/ar-BBVkpyo?li=AAggNb9&ocid=iehp

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appears to have suffered more damage from the SNC-Lavalin scandal than U.S. President Donald Trump has from the Russia investigation, hush money payments to a porn star, alleged campaign finance violations, threats of impeachment proceedings and the litany of new investigations launched by Democrats.

That's according to a new Ipsos poll, conducted exclusively for Global News, which found that Trudeau's approval rating (40 per cent) has now slipped below Trump's (43 per cent), even as the Conservative Party established a double-digit lead over the Liberals.

The Liberal government's federal budget did little to quell the damage, the poll found, with most Canadians indifferent about it and only a small minority impressed by Finance Minister Bill Morneau's offerings.

The Conservatives are now sitting pretty in crucial provinces Ontario and British Columbia, with Trudeau managing to fall behind among two of the key demographics that swept him to victory in 2015, women and young people."Whatever this SNC-Lavalin thing is, it seems to have settled in. We're creating a new normal in which the Conservatives are consistently ahead of the Liberal Party," said Darrell Bricker, CEO of Ipsos Public Affairs.

"People in Ottawa can say what they want about the significance of the scandal — 'there's no sex, there's no money, what is this all about?'

"But Canadians are sitting back and saying this has really caused them to reconsider supporting a combination of this prime minister and this Liberal government."

The province-by-province breakdown makes for worrying reading for the Liberals.

In seat-rich Ontario, the Conservatives (40 per cent) have opened up a 12-point lead over the Liberals, who are tied with the NDP at 28 per cent.

The Tories also enjoy a double-digit lead in British Columbia, where the Liberals and NDP are in a scrap for second place.

Alberta looks to be a foregone conclusion, with the Conservatives (63 per cent) light-years ahead of the Liberals (17 per cent) and NDP (15 per cent).

"When you take a look at where the Conservatives are leading, they're now leading everywhere you need to lead," Bricker said. "They really don't need anything else to beat the Liberals."

Indeed, the only province in which the Liberals are in pole position is Quebec, where they have the support of 38 per cent of respondents.


However, the Conservatives (25 per cent) and Bloc Quebecois (23 per cent) appear to have enough strength to prevent the Liberals from truly taking advantage of their Quebec share as they did in 2015.

The NDP, with only 12 per cent of the vote support, is poised to lose most if not all of its seats in Quebec. But it's not the Liberals who stand to gain from Quebecers deserting the NDP, Bricker said.

"These are not people who are Liberal-NDP switchers. These are probably Bloc Quebecois voters who couldn't vote Bloc last time because of all the problems they were having, combined with people who voted for the Coalition Avenir Quebec," Bricker said.

Compounding the Liberals' misery is the fact that their leader is now bleeding support among some of the core constituencies that helped sweep him to power in 2015.


Forty per cent of women now say they would vote Conservative, compared to just 28 per cent for the Liberals (the Tories enjoy a similar lead among men).

Among younger voters aged 18 to 34, the Conservatives (34 per cent) hold a slight lead over the Liberals (31 per cent).

The only key subset among which the Liberals lead is the university-educated, with 44 per cent approval compared to 30 per cent for Conservatives.

"What's happened is that the brand that Trudeau had — he had a strong appeal among young people, and there was a gender gap that worked in his favour — all seems to be gone," Bricker said.

Indeed, Trudeau's individual approval rating as prime minister now sits at 40 per cent, three points lower than that of Trump in the U.S.

"In spite of all the issues that they've had to deal with in the United States, the likelihood that the president of the United States will get re-elected is higher right now than the prime minister [of Canada] being re-elected," Bricker said.

Trudeau's 40 per cent rating is also lower than that of former prime minister Stephen Harper at this stage in 2015, with Harper having a 47 per cent rating in April 2015.
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PM Scheer yall
 
I half expect JWR to cross the aisle and sit as a Conservative. Scheer should be sending her christmas cards regardless.
 
Wayward DP said:
I half expect JWR to cross the aisle and sit as a Conservative. Scheer should be sending her christmas cards regardless.
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Nah, that would defeat all the goodwill she's gotten. Better to keep taking down the party from the inside, knowing they can't kick her out.
 
Wayward DP said:
I half expect JWR to cross the aisle and sit as a Conservative. Scheer should be sending her christmas cards regardless.
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Nah. Trudeau loses election, steps down, temp leader for a year or so depending on minority/majority government, leadership race, JWR runs on the platform of being the only leader with integrity. Depending on whether or not the liberal rank and file forgive her for burning down the party, maybe she wins, runs in the next general election against PM Scheer, and maybe fulfills her fathers prediction of her being PM one day.
 
why don't they just kick her ass out of caucus at this point? what is the benefit to letting her slowly chip away from inside the party?
 
Wayward DP said:
why don't they just kick her ass out of caucus at this point? what is the benefit to letting her slowly chip away from inside the party?
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I think the hope here has been to starve the story of oxygen, with the idea being the longer this drags on the more Canadians move on to other issues.

Kicking her out of caucus only pours more oil on this fire. It also probably doesn't play well with women or indigenous Canadians. Considering that the Conservatives are now leading amongst decided women voters, that's something they cannot risk.
 
I dunno, think they've miscalculated pretty big here. the damage JWR continues to do is pretty serious.

then again, the Libs have handled pretty much every aspect of this 'scandal' as poorly as possible.
 
And JWR has submitted a recorded conversation as evidence that will be released to the public at 3 pm EST.

She wont let this die.
 
Wayward DP said:
she is doing everything she can to make sure Trudeau loses this election.
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Just listened to the recording.

Poor form not letting him know he was being recorded, but not as damning as one would think. Definitely pressure, but no do this or else.

That said... Is she done? Guess it doesnt even matter, Trudeau is cooked.
 
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