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I'm honestly shocked at how little traction basically all of Dougie's scandals seem to have gotten.

The greenbelt maybe got the most but even then I feel like it's barely scratching the surface of the shenanigans.

Did Trump 1.0 break our capacity to be properly outraged?
 
Wayward DP said:
I'm honestly shocked at how little traction basically all of Dougie's scandals seem to have gotten.

The greenbelt maybe got the most but even then I feel like it's barely scratching the surface of the shenanigans.

Did Trump 1.0 break our capacity to be properly outraged?
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Like Trump, the typical Ford supporters is an older white racist obsessed with the value of his house. His kids are now adults so he doesn't give a shit about public education and he'd rather die than take transit or have any of his tax dollars funding it.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Like Trump, the typical Ford supporters is an older white racist obsessed with the value of his house. His kids are now adults so he doesn't give a shit about public education and he'd rather die than take transit or have any of his tax dollars funding it.
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this is so out to fucking lunch.

ON elections are won and lost in the 905, which are incredibly diverse and filled with families
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Like Trump, the typical Ford supporters is an older white racist obsessed with the value of his house. His kids are now adults so he doesn't give a shit about public education and he'd rather die than take transit or have any of his tax dollars funding it.
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Again, not a Ford fan, but you keep making this knock against him on public transit and it's just not really true. The Ontario Line is the first major subway being built in last 50 years, and the Province is leading it and actually making some progress...not the city, who can't seem to get anything done.

There's also a bunch of LRT projects on the go in cities outside the core, as well as GO train expansion.

They also introduced the One Fare program, so you don't have to pay another fare when transferring between GO/TTC/other city transit agencies. Fully funded by the Province.

There's a ton of problems with this government. No need to make things up.
 
Wayward DP said:
this is so out to fucking lunch.

ON elections are won and lost in the 905, which are incredibly diverse and filled with families
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Plus Ontario is more than just Toronto and those areas have their own interests they want government to address. As important as TO may be many of us rarely or never go there and tune out the whining and tears from there.
 
JackBurton said:
Who can justify the costs for 2 weeks? There's studies that indicate even years later, you never make that investment back. Apparently they are pushing Calgary to bid again.
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Yes they were pushing Calgary. That's when people found out that all the stuff they paid for in 88 would have to be replaced. There's no such thing as an Olympic "legacy" other than massive debt. Nothing you build will be deemed good enough 20 years down the road.
 
Doesn't matter. 5 years later they'd still find an excuse as to why everything needed to be replaced. The real estate and development is the grift.
 
anne25 said:
Plus Ontario is more than just Toronto and those areas have their own interests they want government to address. As important as TO may be many of us rarely or never go there and tune out the whining and tears from there.
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I don't know where you reside, but if you live outside of the GTA, let's make a deal:

We all receive the same amount of tax dollars that we put in - so let's say your area contributes 10% of Ontario's taxes, you get 10% of the total tax dollars. You stay out of our business and we stay out of yours. Cool? Great!

FYI - from the Fraser Institute (not a lefty think tank):

May 2004
URBAN ISSUES SERIES
Main Conclusions
• Greater Toronto Area (GTA) taxpayers pay out almost $24 billion
more in taxes than they receive in government spending—a net
tax burden equal to 11 percent of the GTA economy
• Most of this burden falls on the suburbs around Toronto, where
the average household pays the equivalent of more than $17,000
in extra taxes
• Halton Region and York Region households—urban areas just
west and north of Toronto—pay the most: up to $26,000 more
in tax than in government services received. By comparison,
Toronto households pay almost $9,500 in extra taxes.
• A minority of 9 Ontario counties are subsidizing the other 40.
Twenty-one counties pay less tax than they receive in govern-
ment services, with most found in the eastern and northern
regions. Five counties effectively have most or all of their per-
sonal income taxes refunded in the form of an equivalent dollar
value of services.
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That's what most of the tears and crying is about. Toronto has been chronically under invested in for decades now.
 
Doesn’t Anne live in or near Ottawa?

I’m guessing there probably isn’t any other municipality in Canada with a greater disparity in their favour between the tax dollars they pay in, and the tax dollars they get back.
 
Yeah I now live in Ottawa but have lived in five other Ontario cities over the years.

I really don’t know what percentage we get back in provincial monies compared to what we pay but I do see the city crumbling beneath my feet, a lite rail system that goes nowhere when it runs and is years behind schedule being built. Unfortunately being off the Montreal to Toronto corridor we lack the tax income from industry.

In any case I understand Toronto’s frustration but every area in the province not just Toronto have problems that need attention.

Plus it’s tradition that the rest of the province dump on Toronto.
 
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