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This Carney stuff reminds me of when the Liberal party intelligentsia started floating Michael Ignatieff as the party's white knight saviour while Stephane Dion was still the leader, and Ignatieff was still working as a professor at Harvard. And I think we all know how that turned out for them.

Not to say that they shouldn't be thinking about replacing Trudeau. He's a bimbo who's largely served his purpose, and is less useful going forward when his personal political brand has a ton of baggage associated with it, rather than being a positive for the party. But I'm not sure that parachuting a stuffy old white dude who hasn't lived in the country for years and has zero experience in politics into the leader's chair is the way to go. If you want to bring him in as a star candidate and potential new finance minister, that'd make more sense.
 
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Jason Kenney's press conference announcing the end of the carbon tax in Alberta has been cancelled as smoke from fires in Alberta has overtaken Edmonton. #ableg
 
In a normal situation the Federal Liberals would have a good couple weeks.

1) NAFTA still moving ahead (for the time-being)
2) Tariffs being lifted
3) Pro-Life rallies happening with Federal Conservative members attending
4) Ford and the Ontario PC's completely imploding
5) Job numbers still doing fantastic
6) Environmental concerns related to Climate Change


The problem is that the outside noise coming from JWR and Philpott seems to be a major factor and the media (including the CBC) loves that shit.
 
In a normal situation the Federal Liberals would have a good couple weeks.

1) NAFTA still moving ahead (for the time-being)
2) Tariffs being lifted
3) Pro-Life rallies happening with Federal Conservative members attending
4) Ford and the Ontario PC's completely imploding
5) Job numbers still doing fantastic
6) Environmental concerns related to Climate Change


The problem is that the outside noise coming from JWR and Philpott seems to be a major factor and the media (including the CBC) loves that shit.

Voters stopped voting on substance a while ago.

Its been about brand since the Dion days. Harper destroyed the Dion and Ignatief brands, his brand was outshown by trudeau and trudeaus brand imploded in February.

But at least your admitting that SNC is having an effect instead of thinking its inside politics.
 
you can thank these ads:


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jesus christ if that guy becomes prime minister.
 
you can thank these ads:


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jesus christ if that guy becomes prime minister.

Last year I predicted that none of the anti Trudeau noise mattered because as soon as canadians actually saw who the conservative cardboard cut out was, they wouldn't be able to picture him as their PM.

I havent seen anything to push me off of that point and expect it to look even more stark when the debates come down. Scheer has some major ideological blind spots to hammer on, and hes a ****ing nerd on top of it. Not that good type of smart nerd either, hes the smarmy kid who rats on his friends to their parents for having fun kind of nerd. The guy who left room for jesus between him and a girl when they danced, without being told to.
 
i would lose what little faith I had in anyone if he wins.

he's not even the fake-tough guy type that conservatives love. he's ridiculous.
 
i would lose what little faith I had in anyone if he wins.

he's not even the fake-tough guy type that conservatives love. he's ridiculous.
He would win not because he convinced a great many liberal voter to switch to conservatives, he would win because Elizabeth may stole trudeaus lunch.
 
Shes also insufferable when people actually hear her speak.

You must have missed the green wave spreading through the lands.

Europe just had the greens do very well, I expect Canada is next. With the Greens at +10 percent, the NDP at 15, I expect a lot of conservatives to win a lot of close races.

CPC minority with Trudeau stepping down.
 
I expect a liberal minority and a lot of moaning about the shit choices available to canadians.

That's the most likely outcome IMHO. Like, Scheer has all the personality of Stephen Harper, but you just look at him and you don't see the grudging respect that at least Harper earned.

The Greens are certainly growing, and will make noise, but they're still pretty far down the pack. And I think a lot of their votes will come at the expense of the NDP, while I do think the Libs will pick up some last minute support as people start worrying about Scheer actually winning.

Of course, there's still a very real chance that the NDP stay strong enough and the green wave cuts into the Libs to lose enough close races. Then anything can happen.
 
By the way, anyone else feel like they are complicit in genocide?

I'm definitely feeling like Canada is on par with 1940s Nazi Germany.
 
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I seriously dislike how the word has been co opted. There are obvious conversation that need to be taken, and steps made to men fences with first nations but you've gotta beat the word genocide within an inch of it's life for it to apply to Canada's historic (very poor) treatment of natives.
 
I seriously dislike how the word has been co opted. There are obvious conversation that need to be taken, and steps made to men fences with first nations but you've gotta beat the word genocide within an inch of it's life for it to apply to Canada's historic (very poor) treatment of natives.

I feel sad for missing and murdered indegeneous women.

The commissioners could have come up with concrete, achievable common sense recommendations on how to reduce violence, keep them safe, out of the sex trade, better police response to when they go missing, yearly progress reports, etc, and it would have gone over pretty well, everyone could have gotten on board.

Instead they throw the genocide word out there, talk about reopening the constitution, and attack Canadian society at large, to the point where this report is going to be viewed as toxic and buried.

So many of the recommendations are obvious non starters, and once you start taking the axe to many of the obvious non starters, it won't take long for the rest to follow.

A real shame. The real losers here are the women and girls who deserved the full attention of this report, to change the way things are run. Instead canadians will argue about whether they committed genocide for a few weeks, then move right the **** on.
 
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I feel sad for missing and murdered indegeneous women.

The commissioners could have come up with concrete, achievable common sense recommendations on how to reduce violence, keep them safe, out of the sex trade, better police response to when they go missing, yearly progress reports, etc, and it would have gone over pretty well, everyone could have gotten on board.

Instead they throw the genocide word out there, talk about reopening the constitution, and attack Canadian society at large, to the point where this report is going to be viewed as toxic and buried.

So many of the recommendations are obvious non starters, and once you start taking the axe to many of the obvious non starters, it won't take long for the rest to follow.

A real shame. The real losers here are the women and girls who deserved the full attention of this report, to change the way things are run. Instead canadians will argue about whether they committed genocide for a few weeks, then move right the **** on.

Well stated.

I have witnessed this violence against indigeonous women and girls first hand.

The system is broken.

The unfortunate part is that we are trusting the Mechanisms of this problem, to fix it.

The only ones who can fix it are us.

Many of us have no problem stepping upon one another to further our abilities to live in a greater comfort.
But how much is enough?

Prejudice, sexism is a learned behaviour. Whether it is a behaviour that stems from our families and communities, or from everyday interactions, it needs to be eradicated.

I am not a psychologist, but it doesnt take someone with a PHD. to know that no one, no one should ever have to pay for their love with their bones and their flesh.

There is so much sexism, racism and racist attitudes on both sides, from the general population to the rez's I have lived on .

Being called "sheganosh" is akin to being called a n_ _ _ _. And its usage is commonplace on many many reserves.
So the idea that natives are without a part in this problem is pure fallacy.

Living in isolated pockets, alcoholism is an accepted behaviour, assault is an acceptable behaviour, women as second class citizens is an accepted behaviour.

I look white, but my family lineage is of the mohican background from Massachusetts, and I was often called the white devil or "shegonash".

I was recently told, by a wise elder of a community that it is always in the politicians best interest to create a division within a society.
He spoke that there is no other human being on this earth that is assaulted or murdered more than males of all races.
The difference is that men are suppose to be strong and able to stick up for themselves, which very few really can. The women he said, are suppose to be treated like a flower. Delicate and beautiful. To be valued.

The problem he said, "is that we are all beautiful and special, and until men learn to love themselves, and treat everyone with respect and kindness, we are bound to continue this downwards

As I mentioned earlier, I agree that there is a problem. But this problem has many fronts, and I have no idea how to repair the damage that has been done by so many on both sides except to be the best person I can be, and helping those who cant or wont help themselves.

Question, how many of us wouldn't try to help someone who is in dire needs ..... if a woman is getting attacked/assaulted, would you just walk away and justify by thinking she probably deserved it? Or that it isnt my business? Or it is a family matter?
Or would you be that person of character who would step up and be counted?

The government has fostered the handout solutions that we now see and incorporate to appease our own conscience.
But I think (once again I have no credentials for this), violence begets violence, and if we are all truly interested in making this a better world, we all need to reach out and help those who cant or wont help themselves.

To steal a quote .... the native lifestyle was doomed once we made land from Europe. How it was done was unconscienable.

God bless the families of the victims of all missing people.

As my dad once told me, if you hit a woman or girl, you are a piece of shit and a bully. And I agree!
Jmho ....
 
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Canada has an incredible ability to care about everything else over Indigenous Peoples. It's truly a historic and current shame that everyone should feel.

I am very glad the Liberals took some leadership and funded this inquiry. The truth needs to come out.

The question is: Do enough people care? I sure hope so.
 
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