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anne25 said:
Jobs or no jobs, if it was Sheer or Harper people would still care.
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I can't really agree with this.

Whether it was Trudeau, Harper or Scheer who did this, this is too much of an "inside baseball" affair for your average voter to fully grasp what Trudeau did wrong here, or care enough about it as a single issue that they'll consider either staying home on election day or switching their vote from the Liberals to another party.

That said, when Federal governments eventually get tossed from power in Canada, it's usually because a bunch of accumulated scandals over the course of their reign eventually add up to a critical mass and end up killing them like death by a thousand paper cuts. It's what happened to Harper, and when Trudeau eventually gets turfed, I'm SNC will be one of the bullet points on the list of reasons why voters are sick of his shit (alongside other things like the Aga Khan trip, playing Mr. Dressup in India, reneging on electoral reform, etc).
 
LeafGm said:
I can't really agree with this.

Whether it was Trudeau, Harper or Scheer who did this, this is too much of an "inside baseball" affair for your average voter to fully grasp what Trudeau did wrong here, or care enough about it as a single issue that they'll consider either staying home on election day or switching their vote from the Liberals to another party.

That said, when Federal governments eventually get tossed from power in Canada, it's usually because a bunch of accumulated scandals over the course of their reign eventually add up to a critical mass and end up killing them like death by a thousand paper cuts. It's what happened to Harper, and when Trudeau eventually gets turfed, I'm SNC will be one of the bullet points on the list of reasons why voters are sick of his shit (alongside other things like the Aga Khan trip, playing Mr. Dressup in India, reneging on electoral reform, etc).
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Yeah, alone it's a mostly non-issue. But combined with the other stuff, if there was a true "appetite for change" in the country, it would definitely be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

But especially given DoFo and Trump, I really can't see the country as a whole embrace Scheer, and the NDP is busy shooting themselves in the legs to compete, this becomes the sort of issue that will only matter on the fringes come e-day. It could be enough to cost a majority (and how funny would it be if the Libs fell 1 seat short with JWR winner hers?), but probably not enough to topple fully.
 
anne25 said:
Jobs or no jobs, if it was Sheer or Harper people would still care.
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I'm not sure why we need to get into a game of "whatabout???" here, but if Harper was leaning on people in the government to try to potentially save a couple thousand jobs, no I don't think we would care much. It's not like Trudeau was trying to get his SNC buddies off scot free. He was trying to get them put into a program where they admit their guilt on record, and pay a significant fine.

I mean, if you want to stack Harper's ethics violations against that in both severity and intent...okay, but I don't think the analysis will play out too well there. Trying to nudge SNC through the backdoor into the DPA program is hardly on par ethically with trying to bury audits, refusing to provide costing information to parliament, refusing to share budget information even after being ordered to by the courts, etc, etc.

Most of what Harper did was 1) worse & 2) didn't move the electoral needle. It wasn't really until the senate expense scandal that one of these stuck to him and that included actual financial crimes committed by PMO staffers, despite it being a relative pittance dollar value wise.
 
From what has been said in the past very few jobs would have been lost and as the ethic commissioner indicated the upcoming election was also used as a motivation for for wanting JWR to act
 
Trudeau continues to handle this horribly.

Apologize already. That's on brand anyways.

The report is clear this wasn't only about jobs.
 
anne25 said:
From what has been said in the past very few jobs would have been lost
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That's a bit more clear now, yeah. That was a lot less clear at the time.

and as the ethic commissioner indicated the upcoming election was also used as a motivation for for wanting JWR to act
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Politicians had political motivations? Weird. I would imagine that a couple thousand lost jobs in a notoriously volatile province would have a wide range of reasons to be concerned, including political considerations.
 
The funniest part of Canadian politics is that what causes outrage and calls of scandal in this country, Airbus, Tainted Tuna, sponsorship, Lavalin wouldn't even be discussed in other countries like France, USA etc. We have it so good in this country we worry about piddly crap like this stuff.

Trudeau had survived the earlier Jodas Raybould stuff but now he has to do it again. The only silver lining is that it is August and every time Scheer opens his mouth, people hate him more. In the end, you only need to be a 1 in politics if everyone else is 0 and his opponents are basically 0s even if he might only be a .5
 
https://www.blogto.com/music/2019/08/taylor-swift-tuition/

University of Waterloo student Ayesha Khurram no longer has to worry about how she'll afford next semester's tuition fees, because her favourite pop star just sent her more than $6,000.

Khurram is going into her second year in the Accounting and Financial Management program at the University of Waterloo this fall, and she took to Tumblr to post about her financial struggles since Premier Ford's OSAP cuts.

She also added her PayPal email account to Tumblr in hopes that some of her followers would donate to her education fund.

What she didn't expect, however, was for Taylor Swift to send her $6,386.47.

"I went and I started eating cookies... I came back and I saw over $6,000 in my account," she said. "I had a cookie in my mouth and I dropped it."

Khurram said she received a money transfer from Taylor Nation LLC accompanied by a message saying "Ayesha, get your learn on girl. I love you! Taylor."

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https://www.680news.com/2019/08/15/ontario-on-the-wrong-track-fords-policies-hurting-scheer-poll/

Looking back at his first year in office, Premier Doug Ford confidently declared that “Ontario is back on the right track.”

But according to a poll by Corbett Communications released on Thursday, the majority of Ontarians disagree.

The online sampling of public opinion among 1099 citizens of voting age, found that 6-in-10 (60 per cent) say the province is actually on the wrong track.
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Almost half of those polled (44 per cent) approve of the job Andrea Horwath is doing as leader of the opposition while interim Liberal leader John Fraser has the approval of 22 per cent. The Green Party’s Mike Schreiner has 25 per cent support, while Doug Ford has 24 per cent support, up slightly from last month when he dropped to a troublesome 20 per cent. But two thirds of the electorate, or 65 per cent, disapprove of Ford’s performance.

“Andrea Horwath continues to out poll her party strongly, while Doug Ford underpolls his party considerably,” Corbett concludes. “It’s as though the PCs are tied in first despite their leader, while the NDP aren’t, despite their leader.”

While Ford’s overall numbers continue to be on the low end, among PC supporters he remains the top choice for leader at 37 per cent. Christine Elliott trails at 16 per cent, with Caroline Mulroney at 8 per cent.
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It appears that Doug Ford’s unpopularity could hamper Andrew Scheer’s chances at the federal level. According to a separate Corbett Communications poll, almost 6-in-10 Ontarians polled (56 per cent) say they’ll be less likely to vote for Scheer because of Ford’s policies.

While just 1-in-7 voters say they support the policies of Donald Trump, 47 percent of them are also supporters of Ford.
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Ontario is kind of a basketcase right now. Hate Ford but would still consider voting PC. Like Horwath but unlikely to vote NDP, and have let the Liberals back in the side door...hate Ford enough that it's effecting their views of the federal Conservatives ffs. But among Conservatives, Ford is still their guy.

We're a long ways away from the next provincial election so lots can change, but it seems like unless the Liberals get their shit in order, there's a decent possibility of a Ford minority.
 
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