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Modern conservatism doesn't have anymore room for leaders who aren't blatant, gigantic, assholes.
 

Turns out all of canada is pretty racist.

In April, Léger Marketing carried out acountry-wide online poll asking if voters would support the ban of religious symbols for teachers, police officers and judges in their province. The poll also asked respondents who they would vote for in the federal election.

Outside Quebec, fully 40 per cent of Canadians approved of such a ban in their own province. Except in Alberta, 50 per cent or more of Conservative voters were in favour.

Case closed.


Problem is, a sizable chunk of Liberal voters also embraced the ban. Here are the numbers: Atlantic Canada, 28 per cent; Alberta, 31 per cent; Ontario, 32 per cent; B.C., 34 per cent; Prairies (Manitoba and Saskatchewan), 62 per cent. (Would you believe that the numbers are even higher for NDP voters!)

Liberal pollsters have seen these or similar numbers. And they know that 50 per cent of their Quebec voters support the ban, according to the Léger poll. Were they to make this one of the pivotal issues of the campaign, they would have to turn their backs on a third of their base — and give up any chance of forming a majority.
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I knew the policy was popular in quebec but 40 percent in the rest of Canada?

Hot damn.
 
Altair said:

Turns out all of canada is pretty racist.



I knew the policy was popular in quebec but 40 percent in the rest of Canada?

Hot damn.
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Same reason Trump won. Under the covers, a lot of people have some pretty big views. Although I have a very hard time believing that 38% of Liberal voters would be in favour of banning religious garb. Seems pretty opposite from what I would have predicted (even if there's still 55% opposed, much closer than I would have thought).
 
So here's my question....in this case, how do we draw the line between racists and just hardcore secularists?

I have a pretty strong social libertarian streak, where I largely don't give a fuck what someone else believes in, how they dress, etc as long as their beliefs avoid the tip of my nose so to speak, but I'm not overly opposed to no outward signs of religiousity among public sector workers. It's just that muslims have more of those blatant outward signs of religiousity in their dress code that others.

Are some people who support this policy (which is bad policy imo) in it to thumb their nose at muslims? Absolutely. But I wouldn't be surprised if a fair chunk of the supporters on the left are more hard core secular atheists, anarchists, etc rather than racist towards any single group that might be effected more than others with this type of a ban.
 
If someone's religious garb doesn't impact their ability to do their jobs and isn't a danger to anyone, then I have a really hard time seeing why it's a problem in need of fixing with a government-mandated dress code. I also don't really see why a line has to be drawn around public sector workers. And I say that as someone who's not the least bit religious, and who thinks we're better off with as little as possible overt religiosity in everyday life.

The only example I can think of that I personally have a problem with is the fact that some observant Sikhs carry knives (AKA the "Kirpan") supposedly as a religious requirement. If you're in a public or private venue where carrying a weapon is prohibited for everyone else because of the danger involved, I don't think society needs to provide you with a religious loophole that allows you to get around that.
 
I agree.

I don't agree with someone who is kind of hyper secular who wants to limit symbols of religiousity in public, but I "get" it though. I just think it's difficult to demarcate between them or plain old "fuck the muslim" racists here.
 
UWHabs said:
Same reason Trump won. Under the covers, a lot of people have some pretty big views. Although I have a very hard time believing that 38% of Liberal voters would be in favour of banning religious garb. Seems pretty opposite from what I would have predicted (even if there's still 55% opposed, much closer than I would have thought).
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A lot of liberal support is in quebec.
 
MindzEye said:
I agree.

I don't agree with someone who is kind of hyper secular who wants to limit symbols of religiousity in public, but I "get" it though. I just think it's difficult to demarcate between them or plain old "fuck the muslim" racists here.
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When in doubt, its easier to call them all racist.
 
Mainstreet poll has

LPC 38

CPC 34

GRN 11

NDP 8

PPC 5

BQ 4


Poll tracker has them all tied up at 34.8 before the election call Wednesday
 
Also possible depending on how efficient their support in Ont/Quebec is.

Honestly don't know which I'd prefer. I never mind when there's a little bit of actual leftist thought injected into policy making. Always nervous giving them the wheel, but some of their ideas are functional.
 
MindzEye said:
Also possible depending on how efficient their support in Ont/Quebec is.

Honestly don't know which I'd prefer. I never mind when there's a little bit of actual leftist thought injected into policy making. Always nervous giving them the wheel, but some of their ideas are functional.
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The NDP and Greens kills the transmountain pipeline.
 
MindzEye said:
Meh, to western canada it doesnt factor in anyway. Trudeau could deliver the pipeline with his own hands and still cap out at 20% support
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Transmountain goes beyond political calculation.

Alberta needs more pipeline capacity, because they are fellow Canadians and they need to be able to get their resources to market.

The Canadian economy needs it as well.

First nations who might buy it and able to send that money to their communities would be huge as well.

Having the greens/NDP kneecap it would be nonsense.
 
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