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are you saying it's partially built or is this Alberta to NB?

There is currently an Enbridge line that runs to the US border in Sask, heads through the midwest and re enters the country at Sarnia, and that pipe goes through Ontario and end at facilities in Montreal. But Irving has a ~350K bpd facility in New Brunswick that currently doesn't have domestic pipeline delivery to it. It's a facility the Irvings have been wanting to expand for years, but they tend to have to order their product internationally and have it brought in by tanker for finishing. What I would suggest (again, very back of the napkin) is to do 600-800K of additional pipe capacity, but send it north over top of the great lakes, down through Ontario and meet link up with the Enbridge Line 9 right of way at whatever point makes the most sense. Then complete a line from Montreal to Irving that can carry ~300K bpd

From what you're saying our #1 goal should be transmountain to Asia. How do we feel about selling to China?

Yes and whatever. Japan, SK, and Indonesia would be major customers out there as well. But if China wants it all, give it all to them. The overall strategy here is to have an oil industry that can be flexible in it's abiltity to service customers wherever. More domestic refinery capacity would increase our ability to service our own needs, more pipes west would obviously allow us to send more to Asia, more east allows us to provide more of Ontario's needs in house, as well as Irving shipping to Europe. But honestly, the US is going to remain our primary energy importer, we just need to be able to pivot as necessary. The economics of this are really clear. Even with a 25% tariff we would still be their cheapest supply.

Our current problem isn't necessarily that we sell the US a lot of oil, it's that we have no alternative aside from sending them ~80% of our production.
I do think it would be wise for Carney to propose some of these ideas

I expect a big pipe east as a unity project and increased refinery capacity at minimum. Increasing TMX is less likely imo but probably a smarter idea.
 
There’s also a Repsol LNG conversion terminal in Saint John. So the question is it oil, gas or both (the Euros want gas). The line could also end on Montreal. For oil, I don’t think the eastern facilities can refine heavy, so there would have to be some enhanced conversion and some super bigly investment.

I think the US issue had focused minds and reduced provincial resistance, but it would be useful if some key people (cough Premier Smith) meaningfully acknowledge what happened in Lac Mégantic. That can’t ever happen again. The distinction between trains and pipes is irrelevant.
 
Premier Smith needs to understand that geographic location is also a natural endowment and that hers sucks.

Yup. Her one real export is landlocked on native treaty land in a fucking bog 1200km and a mountain range away from Pacific tidewater, 3000km and the Canadian shield away from Atlantic tidewater and she insists on acting like it's our problem to solve for her....and that we should be thanking them for their very existence the entire time. It's fucking exhausting to deal with that level of entitlement.
 
NWT would be my guess. It's where he's from and I'm quite sure that no Maple MAGA's live there.

The current MP is a Liberal, and looks like last summer said he wouldn't run again, so yeah, that would be a potential seat for sure. I could see him run in some part of Edmonton too - Edmonton Centre has Boissonnault who might not run given his indigenous scandal stuff from back in the fall, and while obviously not a safe seat, you'd think he'd stand a good chance there with the current federal polling numbers.
 
The current MP is a Liberal, and looks like last summer said he wouldn't run again, so yeah, that would be a potential seat for sure. I could see him run in some part of Edmonton too - Edmonton Centre has Boissonnault who might not run given his indigenous scandal stuff from back in the fall, and while obviously not a safe seat, you'd think he'd stand a good chance there with the current federal polling numbers.


Edmonton Centre would be my guess. He only spent the first six years of his life living in the Northwest Territories, so that’s kind of a tenuous connection. And that seat would probably be better left to an indigenous person with a real connection to the community.

Better to shove aside the somewhat scandal-tainted current Edmonton Centre MP and run in the place that’s actually his hometown. And I think he kind of telegraphed this move with his recent appearance in an Oilers jersey and a few other times he’s highlighted his Alberta roots.

And in the last election in Edmonton Centre, the Libs & NDP got 16,560 & 14,171 votes respectively, to the CPC & PPC’s 15,945 & 2,094. With the collapse of the NDP vote to the Liberals, that should leave Carney with a decently safe margin even if those PPC votes come home to the CPC to try and deny Carney a seat.
 
So disheartening that we can watch what’s going on in the states and Pierre can swap out America First and Canada First and probably still get elected. And somehow people can still believe Trump wants Carney?
 
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