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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

MindzEye said:
Another thing.

When can we admit that Timmins is at minimum a really good 3rd pairing can crusher?
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I don't expect the top 3 to hold up obviously with a larger sample, but he leads the team in P/60. Your nephew is 2nd and of course McMann is 3rd. On-ice s% for them are 11, 11 and 10 respectively. Unsustainable maybe, but nothing crazy.
 
Preston said:
I don't expect the top 3 to hold up obviously with a larger sample, but he leads the team in P/60.
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He's 1st in xG & 1st in GF%, the latter will settle down a bit as his PDO drops some (103.4%) but xG is process and good shit happens when he's on the ice. Puck goes the right way, we generate good chances. I don't think I'll ever trust him against heavy use matchups, but I be he can be a good 19-20mpg can crusher #4-5 type. He's been everything that anyone could have hoped busted Klinger could have been for us.
 
MindzEye said:
He's 1st in xG & 1st in GF%, the latter will settle down a bit as his PDO drops some (103.4%) but xG is process and good shit happens when he's on the ice. Puck goes the right way, we generate good chances. I don't think I'll ever trust him against heavy use matchups, but I be he can be a good 19-20mpg can crusher #4-5 type.
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His nerdies have suffered a bit lately but the sample is large enough to be fairly comfortable that he's a very good bottom pair weapon. And he gives them something they don't really have elsewhere beyond Rielly so it's a no brainer to make him a regular (and was the best case scenario on Klingberg ever better than him?). I suspect once Gio comes back the nerdies will continue to be consistently strong.
 
Preston said:
His nerdies have suffered a bit lately but the sample is large enough to be fairly comfortable that he's a very good bottom pair weapon. And he gives them something they don't really have elsewhere beyond Rielly so it's a no brainer to make him a regular (and was the best case scenario on Klingberg ever better than him?). I suspect once Gio comes back the nerdies will continue to be consistently strong.
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Yeah, barring us landing a real gud matchup defender (which we should be looking for, 100%) this is our best top 6 by a lot imo

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Lilly
Gio-Timmins
Benoit

I somewhat agree with Mbow regarding Brodie, he definitely looks slower this year though I disagree that he's entirely cooked. He definitely doesn't look like the elite or at minimum fringe elite matchup guy he's been for us to this point though and I don't think that's because of Rielly either, who has looked way more conscientious defensively this year.

Would definitely like to see a top shutdown guy brought in and something like this end up our playoff blueline:

Rielly-Lilly
XXXXX-Brodie
McCabe/Timmins/Gio
 
XXXX-Brodie
Rielly-Liljegren
McCabe-Timmins
Giordano

Bit of a log jam of #4s back there, almost feel like they have to subtract if they add but I don't really wanna subtract anyone so nah. McCabe on the bottom pair feels cruel. But not a bad luxury either and injuries will of course continue to happen. I just hope they aim higher than another 3/4 type. All that would do is push McCabe to a lesser role to be replaced with a guy that is maybe as good as McCabe in the heavier role. Improves their already excellent depth but I'm not sure it does enough to make them a better team in a fully healthy lineup.
 
McCabe has shown that he's more than comfy on the right side, and maybe even better there. And he's an excellent skater. I wouldn't mind seeing how he looks with Rielly on the top pair, which would let us move Brodie to a 2nd pair with Lilly as maybe a safer option.

But maybe it's not necessary - McCabe-Lilly was already pretty great.
 
I like Timmins offensive side.

My ideal pairings

Reilly Tanev
Mcabe Lilly
Benoit/Gio Timmins

That line up has some size and some puck moving ability on every pair

Yes, I used Brodie to either get Tanev or for a forward whom so as to not lose a pending ufa
 
Brodie (33, 6'2/187): 856gms, 22:17, paces: 5gls, 31pts, 123bk, 40ht
Tanev (34, 6'2/193): 745gms, 19:57, paces: 4gls, 20pts, 166bk, 3ht

The general consensus nowadays seems to be that (the older, injured) Tanev is an upgrade over Brodie, but that's probably just the usual anti-leafs-dmen bias going on.

Brodie is that one that has been a top-pair defensive dman on top teams his whole career, while (the older, injured) Tanev has been more the typical "defensive #4 dman" role player on largely middling teams his whole career.
 
Yeah, that would be the play. Two brodies is better than one and just stream them against top opposition to free Rielly-Lilly-McCabe-Gio-Timmins up to drive play in the right direction against the secondary matchups.
 
If they get Tanev we need to get 1st pair vs 2nd pair out of our vocabulary. As ME said, start focusing on roles. Mo has historically been way better getting secondary matchups, especially in the playoffs. So he's on that pair and you have to go Brodie-Tanev on the other pair as the shutdown one.
 
Like I've said before, Tanev is kind of the bare minimum level of dman I'd be ok with adding - a role player, but a genuine quality top-4 guy.

But there's no doubt that a 1st for Tanev is a very Foligno-esque move.
 
Lebrun basically said that if the leafs decide to ship their 1st for Tanev it's probably a done deal. But they're likely hesitant. As they should be. And the flames are in no rush to trade him so they're firm on their ask of a 1st for now.
 
I don’t think Brodie/Tanev works as they don’t move the puck well. Probably why McCabe-Brodie didn’t work either.

I like the Leafs D individually but the pieces don’t fit together that well. I’m not sure Tanev helps that,

They really need another top end puck mover like Hanifin.

Rielly-Lilly
Hanifin-McCabe
Brodie-Timmins
Benoit/Gio

Though that bottom pair could be too slow.
 
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