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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

i'd argue that in recent years many of the deadline deals were bad mostly because they weren't actually upgrades (and some were downgrades), especially on D. Like adding Zadorov might well have been a downgrade already.

And these moves have come at the expense of burying all our kids come playoffs time, which has probably been bad both short and longterm.

Lilly was looking like a borderline top pair dman before the injury. Timmins is looking like a luxury to have on a bottom pair. Burying these guys, and paying good draft picks to do it, is not something I want to see.

Knies, Robertson, Liljegren, Timmins, Cowan, Minten.....I'd rather gamble on these younger guys as quality depth than most of the veteran fodder that'll be moved at the deadline.

I'd probably be happy if Brad stood pat at the deadline rather than overpay for middling-to-poor stuff.

Even on defense - IMO Rielly, Brodie, McCabe, Liljegren are all good top-4 quality, and Gio-Timmins is probably as talented a bottom pair as most an in hockey.

I don't think there should be any desperation to make trades at all, really.
 
Yeah Tanev means Timmins is 100% out in a fully healthy lineup. And then a guy like Liljegren or mccabe are wasted on the third pair. So they get worse offensively and maybe marginally better defensively.

But it does help them absorb injuries better. That's the only really clear benefit from grabbing another middling d to add to the pile.
 
zeke said:
But there's no doubt that a 1st for Tanev is a very Foligno-esque move.
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Can't see too many teams willingly chasing Tanev at the price of a 1st. Pretty much all of the good playoff teams have their matchup pairing sorted. Only teams I see a fit are Edmonton, us and Vegas.
 
Preston said:
Lebrun basically said that if the leafs decide to ship their 1st for Tanev it's probably a done deal. But they're likely hesitant. As they should be. And the flames are in no rush to trade him so they're firm on their ask of a 1st for now.
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They should probably just do it, especially if they’re keeping the scouting staff in place. They’ve been getting first round quality prospects in the second round the last few years.
 
hockeylover said:
They should just do it, especially if they’re keeping the scouting staff in place. They’ve been getting first round quality prospects in the second round the last few years.
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I think he mentioned they don't have a 2nd rounder in the next 3 years? Something like that. And the 2025 1st is gone as well. So they would prefer to not trade this years 1st.
 
I still think Montour last year was a bit of a fluke, but yeah Forsling was one helluva grab for free.
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah, that would be the play. Two brodies is better than one and just stream them against top opposition to free Rielly-Lilly-McCabe-Gio-Timmins up to drive play in the right direction against the secondary matchups.
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if we are not able to acquire a legit top-pairing guy, this is prolly the next best thing
 
Net Rating Ranks

Matthews (23): #3 C, #3 ALL

Nylander (17): #6 W, #14-15 ALL

Tavares (14): #8-11 C, #23-#29 ALL
Marner (12): #13-17 W, #35-#43 ALL

Rielly (7): #26-31 D, #88-#101 ALL
 
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