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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

And that’s not even to argue that Tavares has been shit, that it’s all his fault, etc.

But it’s beyond argument at this point that whatever that team needed back in 2017 to push them over the top, it sure as fuck wasn’t John Tavares at $11M. As some of us argued at the time.
 
You could've added Crosby or Ovechkin instead of him and ended up in the same place.

The rosters have been fatally flawed on their bottom half most years (especially the D) and the goaltending has always let us down.

Flip in Crosby for Tavares, or any other player for Tavares, and you get the same result. So, again, this hyper focus on one guy is hilariously misplaced. It was the right move to add him, but the move was sabotaged by all sorts of other moves that made the roster worse than it should've been, often even just with player selection on the existing roster, like we're seeing yet again this year with Lilly sitting and Reaves a lock.
 
The fatal flaw, is unlike Crosby and Ovechkin, their $11 million "superstar" was a 60 point player in the playoffs.

Crosby and Ovie led their teams to cups. Not Max Talbot and Troy Brower, or whoever
 
They were in no better position than Matthews, and maybe didn't even have as good a supporting cast when they won.

But it's Tavares, and not Barrie, Baboonskin, Ceci, Freddie, Sammy, and all the others that actually, visibly, fucked us up.

His $11M caused them to make stupid decisions to add bad players instead of use the better ones we either had in the organization or acquire better ones for the same money or less? His $11M caused Dubie to shed Engvall and Sandin and not use LTIR and go into the playoffs with unused cap space?

Importantly, his $11M causes Matthews, Marner, and Nylander to go totally silent in games 6 and 7?

Your heads are all deliberately buried in the sand just so you can rag on one player out of 20, and absolve management of all their idiotic moves.
 
Yes, its Tavares.

The Pens added Kessel to put them over the top and he scored 18 goals and 45 points in 49 games and won two cups.

The Leafs added Tavares to put them over the top and he scored 12 goals and 24 points in 38 games and won one round.

Oshie, the Caps big addition, scored 8 goals and 21 points in ONE run.
 
Tavares wasn't added as a "final piece", he was simply added as another star option. I'm sure when he was signed in 2018, the Leafs had their capologists projecting a rising cap over the life of his deal. Then Covid happened - and the cap was flat for multiple seasons and the term "core four" was born.

As far as Tavares UFA deal setting the cap for our stars - that is Dubas fault, but not because he signed Tavares, but because Dubas can't negotiate to save his life. He's a total pushover (as a rookie GM), and those duties should have been handled by an assistant. That I lay at Shanahan's feet.
 
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Tavares wasn't added as a "final piece", he was simply added as another star option. I'm sure when he was signed in 2018, the Leafs had their capologists projecting a rising cap over the life of his deal. Then Covid happened - and the cap was flat for multiple seasons and the term "core four" was born.
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Its just semantics. He simply did not perform like "another star option" in any playoff run. And there is no argument that is what Dubas/Shanny expected when they forked over all their cap space to him for 7 years and gave him the C.

If they saw the hockeydb page in advance they would have passed.
 
leafman101 said:
Yes, its Tavares.

The Pens added Kessel to put them over the top and he scored 18 goals and 45 points in 49 games and won two cups.

The Leafs added Tavares to put them over the top and he scored 12 goals and 24 points in 38 games and won one round.

Oshie, the Caps big addition, scored 8 goals and 21 points in ONE run.
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This has gotten beyond insane.

Yes, it's one guy. It's not the three guys who go silent in every critical game, or the goalie who shits his pants in half the games we play, or the unplayable fourth lines and bottom pairs. It's just the one guy.
 
Since 2017
Marner - 51 gp, 12 gls, 46 point (82 gp, 20 gls, 74 pts)
Matthews - 49 gp, 19 gls, 43 pts (82 gp, 32 gls, 72 pts)
Nylander - 48 gps, 19 gls, 39 pts (82 gp, 32 gls, 67 pts)
Tavares - 38 gp, 12 gls, 24 pts (82 gp, 26 gls, 52 pts)

Last 3 years
Matthews - 23 gp, 10 gls, 24 pts (82 gp, 36 gls, 86 pts)
Marner - 25 gp, 6 gls, 25 pts (82 gp, 20gls, 82 pts)
Nylander - 22 gp, 10gls, 20 pts, (82 gp, 37 gls, 75 pts)
Tavares - 25 gp, 8 gls, 16 pts (82 gp, 26 gls, 52 pts)

He makes $11 million a year and is a 50 point player in the playoffs, while everyone else still scores. What are we even talking about here? Its Tavares.
 
leafman101 said:
Its just semantics. He simply did not perform like "another star option" in any playoff run. And there is no argument that is what Dubas/Shanny expected when they forked over all their cap space to him for 7 years and gave him the C.

If they saw the hockeydb page in advance they would have passed.
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So semantics is definitely not hindsight.. got it.
 
Its kind of a joke that Marner has become the scapegoat. Over the last 3 years in the playoffs he is 9th in a1/60,19th in p/60 and 17th in xGF% among forwards that have played 20+ games.
 
..and first in pucks over the glass with the slightest of physical pressure in the neutral zone.
 
leafman101 said:
Its kind of a joke that Marner has become the scapegoat. Over the last 3 years in the playoffs he is 9th in a1/60,19th in p/60 and 17th in xGF% among forwards that have played 20+ games.
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3 points in 7 games last year, including zero in games 6 and 7, ergo, it's all Tavares.
 
leafman101 said:
Since 2017
Marner - 51 gp, 12 gls, 46 point (82 gp, 20 gls, 74 pts)
Matthews - 49 gp, 19 gls, 43 pts (82 gp, 32 gls, 72 pts)
Nylander - 48 gps, 19 gls, 39 pts (82 gp, 32 gls, 67 pts)
Tavares - 38 gp, 12 gls, 24 pts (82 gp, 26 gls, 52 pts)

Last 3 years
Matthews - 23 gp, 10 gls, 24 pts (82 gp, 36 gls, 86 pts)
Marner - 25 gp, 6 gls, 25 pts (82 gp, 20gls, 82 pts)
Nylander - 22 gp, 10gls, 20 pts, (82 gp, 37 gls, 75 pts)
Tavares - 25 gp, 8 gls, 16 pts (82 gp, 26 gls, 52 pts)

He makes $11 million a year and is a 50 point player in the playoffs, while everyone else still scores. What are we even talking about here? Its Tavares.
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We're talking about the Leafs not advancing. When the Leafs get to games 6 and 7, all these guys dry up, not just Tavares, and they don't advance.
 
leafman101 said:
Its kind of a joke that Marner has become the scapegoat. Over the last 3 years in the playoffs he is 9th in a1/60,19th in p/60 and 17th in xGF% among forwards that have played 20+ games.
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Nahh, Mitch’s scapegoat status is well deserved for how he consistently comes out strong at the start of a playoff series, then vanishes like a fart in the wind for games 4-7.
 
Fact of the matter is that all of these guys have failed individually and as a group in the playoffs. None of them have had any kind of dominant magical performance that carried the team on his shoulders and went on a deep run. They all played below their usual level. Not just Tavares, but all of them. There's been no 100 point Marner and no 60 goal Matthews in the playoffs thus far.

You can't point to just one guy, as much as many of you desperately want to.
 
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