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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

GEEMAN said:
Problem was that signing forced the team to go all in before the rebuild was over , poker chips were pushed all in

There was no chance the team was getting discount deals on 16 and 34

Team was never ready to win the cup with or without JT

D was never good enough but that contract forced many future moves to win now

Who knows what keeping Kadri and using the cap savings would of yielded but clearly getting 91 wasn’t the answer

I am not blaming JT coming home simply the fit and cap gymnastics moving forward .
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Nah the rebuild was definitely over. They were an elite team pretty quickly unlike most teams that have 8 year+ rebuilds (like the habs currently). But ya 1. It set the floor for their other contracts and 2. Tavares simply wasn't good enough to make this play for.
 
Yeah the rebuild was over. They were already a playoff team

The problem wasn't adding an elite player. The problem was spending $77 mill on a regular season guy that is a career 60 point player in the playoffs that loses in the first round every year.
 
Not when the RFA is Auston Matthews. He was always going to be the highest paid player on the team.

But also that was just his negotiating style to make guys happy. Like he could have held firm on JT too. He would have signed here for $10, he didn't come here for the money. Not that it would have made him a better playoff performer.
 
zeke said:
The cap magnet thing is a bit of an excuse tho.

A GM should have been able to hold firm on the difference between a UFA and RFA contract.
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Yup.

First he makes the mistake of not extending them early, which we see literally every other GM do with their young stars.

Then he signs Tavares without them being extended.

Then he goes to work on extensions and seems to know how to play hardball with Willy down to literally the last minute, yet he bends over for Matty and Marner to become two of the highest paid guys in the league. He could’ve stood firm with those two as well, but didn’t for whatever season, and now he’s acting like Tavares’ contract somehow turned only those two guys into UFAs who could demand anything.
 
leafman101 said:
Not when the RFA is Auston Matthews. He was always going to be the highest paid player on the team.

But also that was just his negotiating style to make guys happy. Like he could have held firm on JT too. He would have signed here for $10, he didn't come here for the money. Not that it would have made him a better playoff performer.
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Why didn’t he want to make Nylander happy?
 
Who are we kidding? If Kadri stayed in Toronto he'd never have reached his full potential. Family, refs and Toronto media would have made sure of this.
 
BG said:
Who are we kidding? If Kadri stayed in Toronto he'd never have reached his full potential. Family, refs and Toronto media would have made sure of this.
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I thought his play as 3rd line C was not very good the one year we tried.
 
BG said:
Who are we kidding? If Kadri stayed in Toronto he'd never have reached his full potential. Family, refs and Toronto media would have made sure of this.
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Wha? Why?

The two seasons before he got bumped down to 3C he put up 32 goals each season and was a combined 1.89 P/60. His first 2 seasons in Colorado he was a 2.03 P/60, so a little better but that's probably due to his most common linemates going from Komarov, Marluea, & Brown to Burakovsky, Nicushkin, Donskoi, & Saad.

Would he have had the crazy 87 point in 71 game career season during the cup year? I don't think we can rule it out. He was in a similar role there to what we would have had him in here and he would have had at least one stud winger next to him.

Also, Naz still had issues with refs in Colorado. They easily could have just given up on him after he got suspened in the 2021 playoffs.
 
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Just because I hate myself a little bit:

2 years prior to JT signing, combined:

Naz: 1.89 P/60
JT: 1.93 P/60

JT's 1st year in Toronto

Kadri: 1.84 P/60
Tavares: 2.87 P/60

Naz first 2 seasons in Colorado combined

Kadri: 2.03 P/60
Tavares: 1.99 P/60

Naz career year:

Kadri: 2.47 P/60
Tavares: 2.15 P/60


The only difference seems to be the colour laundry they were wearing when they had their career season. Also that JT played well enough to make us think we didn't need Kadri for just long enough to give up on Kadri.
 
MindzEye said:
Just because I hate myself a little bit:

2 years prior to JT signing, combined:

Naz: 1.89 P/60
JT: 1.93 P/60

JT's 1st year in Toronto

Kadri: 1.84 P/60
Tavares: 2.87 P/60

Naz first 2 seasons in Colorado combined

Kadri: 2.03 P/60
Tavares: 1.99 P/60

Naz career year:

Kadri: 2.47 P/60
Tavares: 2.15 P/60


The only difference seems to be the colour laundry they were wearing when they had their career season. Also that JT played well enough to make us think we didn't need Kadri for just long enough to give up on Kadri.
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Always this either or.

There's no reason to believe that Dubas' plan wasn't to have Matty-Tavares-Kadri down the middle for years to come, and that after that first year, and second suspension, he just gave up on Kadri and tried to make a bold move by getting what may have been a younger cheaper Kadri plus an offensive D in one stroke.

We didn't lose Kadri to free agency or because his contract demands were too high. It was a choice. Just like letting Hyman go instead of paying him $5M was a choice. Dubas made some bad choices.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Always this either or.
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Because paying 27 million of an 80 million dollar cap on 3 centres is kind of a lot. What is the point of the 11 million dollar 2C if the 4.5 million dollar 2C is just as good in that role?

Cap management matters, roles matter. We needed a shut down 3C to handle the heavies, but a good 1B/2A C, we already had one of those.
 
MindzEye said:
Because paying 27 million of an 80 million dollar cap on 3 centres is kind of a lot. What is the point of the 11 million dollar 2C if the 4.5 million dollar 2C is just as good in that role?

Cap management matters, roles matter. We needed a shut down 3C to handle the heavies, but a good 1B/2A C, we already had one of those.
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Because he was a top end talent who was available for just cash and having three centers like that on one team was almost unfair to the rest of the league? That was the point. To have three guys like that.

Instead of Kadri, they went and paid guys like Bertuzzi and wasted assets on trying to get another top center like ROR, but they could've just kept him, used their kids in bigger roles, kept all those draft picks, and probably won, or at least come much closer to winning than they did.

In other words, they spent that same Kadri money anyway, but just did it stupidly.
 
leafman101 said:
Narrator... it wasn't unfair.
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Yep.

I mean, c’mon. The Islanders literally did better in the playoffs without him. And went farther in the playoffs multiple times than the Tavares Leafs have still ever gone seven years into his tenure here.

You have to be delusional to argue that signing is anything other than an unqualified failure.
 
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