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No Excuses No Limits! The mother fucking goddamn season thread

I would still honestly prefer we make no deadline moves at all, rather than spending yet more assets on olds and/or rentals.

Players in their prime that come with at least a couple years of control, or bust.
 
JAKE EVANS ($1.7M CAP HIT)

The 28-year-old Canadiens centre hasn't been able to come to an agreement on a new contract, which makes it increasingly likely he will be moved. The defensively responsible Evans, who has 27 points (11 goals, 16 assists) in 58 games, would fit as a depth forward on a contender, and represents another candidate for an extension long-term given his age.

RYAN DONATO ($2M CAP HIT)

Another 28-year-old centre out of contract come July 1, the Chicago Blackhawks could net a decent return for a player with 39 points (19 goals, 20 assists) in 56 games in 2024-25. Donato hasn't done much in the playoffs, however, with just two assists in 19 career post-season contests.

TRENT FREDERIC ($2.3M CAP HIT)

The 27-year-old is the youngest player on this list and another candidate to sign long-term if moved. The six-foot-three, 221-pound Boston Bruins forward has 15 points (eight goals, seven assists) through 57 games in 2024-25. Frederic, whose status is unclear after he left Tuesday's game against the Toronto Maple Leafs with a lower-body injury, had five points (three goals, two assists) in 13 playoff contests last spring.

1. Brock Nelson, C, Islanders​

As a rental, Nelson is the ultimate prize, since the 33-year-old has topped 34 goals in three straight seasons while helping New York reach the playoffs in each of the past two.

He also has helped his trade stock by heating up offensively. He is on pace for another 50-plus-point season and should top 25 goals for the seventh time in his career.

Still, the Isles’ recent hot play could push hockey czar Lou Lamoriello not to sell a rental like Nelson with New York pushing back into the playoff race in the Eastern Conference – since he has been loath to do so in the past.

But further aiding Nelson’s case is the fact he has 27 goals and 50 points in 78 career playoff games, with seven game-winning goals – and two in series-clinching games against Pittsburgh in 2019 and Boston in 2021. He could easily exploit matchups as a No. 2 center and power-play contributor – 61 of his 292 career goals are on the man-advantage – for a contending team.
 
These aren't directly comparable because schenn's a fulltime C and laughton hasn't been, and because Schenn plays bigger minutes, but might as well take a look.

this year

Schenn: 59gms, 5v5 13:50 (-1.1dzs%), 48.0xgf% (-1.5rel), 1.10p1/60, 1.62p/60 ----- 5v4 1:37, 2.56p1/60, 3.84p/60 --- SH 0:42 --- 50.5fo% (850fo)
Laughton: 56gms, 5v5 12:06 (+1.0dzs%), 55.6xgf% (+1.8rel), 1.51p1/60, 1.95p/60 - 5v4 0:33, 0.00p1/60, 0.00p/60 --- SH 1:41 --- 48.9fo% (323fo)

last year

Schenn: 82gms, 5v5 13:07 (+1.4dzs%), 44.1xgf% (-1.1rel), 1.17p1/60, 1.51p/60 --- 5v4 2:26, 2.78p1/60, 3.71p/60 --- SH 0:53 --- 49.3fo% (920fo)
Laughton: 82gms, 5v5 11:54 (-2.6dzs%), 45.2xgf% (-7.7rel), 0.98p1/60, 1.35p/60 -- 5v4 1:21, 1.12p1/60, 1.67p/60 --- SH 1:44 -- 48.9fo% (977fo)

two years

Schenn: 141gms, 5v5 13:25 (+0.1dzs%), 45.7xgf% (-1.2rel), 1.14p1/60, 1.55p/60 --- 5v4 2:05, 2.71p1/60, 3.75p/60 --- SH 0:49 --- 49.9fo% (1780fo)
Laughton: 138gms, 5v5 11:59 (-1.1dzs%), 49.3xgf% (-3.8rel), 1.20p1/60, 1.60p/60 - 5v4 1:02, 0.86p1/60, 1.30p/60 --- SH 1:43 --- 48.9fo% (1300fo)


Laughton having a verry nice year this year but it seems like an outlier. Schenn much more dependable but clearly declining - though some of that decline could just be team related.


Last 7yrs average of p1/60 and p/60 5v5

Schenn: 1.73 - 1.65 - 1.43 - 1.98 - 1.79 - 1.35 - 1.37
Laughton: 1.30 - 2.16 -1.32 - 1.30 - 1.03 - 1.17 - 1.73



eh if we're going to be moving a couple of our top assets i'd rather aim higher than these guys even if it costs a bit more.
 
Also, a reminder that we already have a good 3rd line:

McMann-Domi-Robertson: 53.6xgf%, 53.5gf%, 3.21gf/60 --- Average of a 17gl/35pt pace each

Not to mention we're spending a significant amount of cap on a 4th line that is supposed to be able to handle tough matchup usage in Lorentz-Kampf-Jarnkrok.
 
I don't like the age...

I want a C that can hit, play well defensively and either distribute to wingers to add offense Or contribute as well.... but I want a more mobile, puck moving D more..

So I would rather get a younger 3C that could be a pending UFA that you don't have to spend as much on... and then use my better assets for a better Dman ... the better assets needed for salary eating.

Get me Karlsonn
 
Also, a reminder that we already have a good 3rd line:

McMann-Domi-Robertson: 53.6xgf%, 53.5gf%, 3.21gf/60 --- Average of a 17gl/35pt pace each

Not to mention we're spending a significant amount of cap on a 4th line that is supposed to be able to handle tough matchup usage in Lorentz-Kampf-Jarnkrok.
Agreed, but if you play 3 as a match up line, then we're back to complaining about Kampf getting too much ice time.
 
If you gotta get rid of Holmberg and Robertson, I would'nt mind seeing if we could get B. Tanev. Not for each other, but as a last minute deal with the Kraken.

Put Mcmann on line 2 with Willy and JT

B. Tanev Schenn Domi (Now that would be a pain in the ass line.)

Heck, call up Alex again and get the whole team of brothers. Schenn, Tanev and Nylander.
 
This year

Schenn: 59gms, 5v5 13:50 (-1.1dzs%), 48.0xgf% (-1.5rel), 1.10p1/60, 1.62p/60 ----- 5v4 1:37, 2.56p1/60, 3.84p/60 --- SH 0:42 --- 50.5fo% (850fo)
Laughton: 56gms, 5v5 12:06 (+1.0dzs%), 55.6xgf% (+1.8rel), 1.51p1/60, 1.95p/60 - 5v4 0:33, 0.00p1/60, 0.00p/60 --- SH 1:41 --- 48.9fo% (323fo)
Domi: 50gms, 5v5 12:32 (-4.1dzs%), 52.0xgf% (+2.5rel), 1.32p1/60, 1.81p/60 ------ 5v4 1:23, 1.78p1/60, 4.44p/60 --- SH 0:01 --- 48.8fo% (389fo)

two years

Schenn: 141gms, 5v5 13:25 (+0.1dzs%), 45.7xgf% (-1.2rel), 1.14p1/60, 1.55p/60 --- 5v4 2:05, 2.71p1/60, 3.75p/60 --- SH 0:49 --- 49.9fo% (1780fo)
Laughton: 138gms, 5v5 11:59 (-1.1dzs%), 49.3xgf% (-3.8rel), 1.20p1/60, 1.60p/60 - 5v4 1:02, 0.86p1/60, 1.30p/60 --- SH 1:43 --- 48.9fo% (1300fo)
Domi: 130gms, 5v5 12:16 (-6.2dzs%), 52.2xgf% (+0.7rel), 1.65p1/60, 2.26p/60 ----- 5v4 1:19, 1.08p1/60, 2.52p/60 -- SH 0:01 ---- 49.5fo% (841fo)
 
Agreed, but if you play 3 as a match up line, then we're back to complaining about Kampf getting too much ice time.

the top two lines are getting all the ice time anyways.

3rd letting getting the leftover offensive shifts and 4th line getting the leftover defensive shifts seems fine to me.
 
Sorry for hijacking, but I wanna talk trades all the time.

I go back to Utah because it has some players I have had a long interest in.

McBain is a beaches kid that my good friend actually coached in elementary school and he still invites my buddy and his family to the dressing room when they visit. He is a BIG kid who plays super tough. He is playing 3C right now for Utah with the other LW that I have liked from Phoenix/Utah... Lawson Crouse.
 
unfortunately mcbain has hardly played C.

he seems to have just been moved to C during the last game on a makeshift line with the badly struggling Crouse and the rookie Doan, but i don't know if that's even actually the 3rd line. Might be the 4th line tbh.

he seems to me like the classic overpay candidate - 25yr old 6'4" 220 1st round "center" who's not really a center and has struggled to earn playing time on a bad team.
 
Some Center Net Ratings - asterisk means they're not fulltime Cs, 2 asterisks means they barely play C

NJD #2 Hischier +18
CBJ #1 Monahan +17
TOR #2 Tavares +16
WPG #1 Scheifele +15
PIT #1 Crosby +15
TBL #1 Cirelly +15
TBL #2 Point +14
DET #1 Larkin +14
OTT #1 Stutzle +13
BUF #1 Thompson +13
WSH #1 Dubois +13
CAR #1 Aho +13
DAL #2 Johnston* +12
STL #1 Thomas +12
MIN #1 Rossi +11
NYI #1 Horvat +11
MTL #1 Suzuki +11
NYR #1 Miller +10
WSH #2 Strome +10
MIN #2 Ek +9
VGK #2 Hertl* +9
LAK #1 Kopitar +9
LAK #2 Byfield +9
VAN #1 Pettersson +8
UTA #1 Hayton +8
FLA #2 Lundell +8
DAL #3 Hintz +8
LAK #3 Danault +7
VGK #3 Karlsson* +7
UTA #2 Cooley +7
NYI #2 Nelson +7
NSH #1 O'Reilly +7
SJS #1 Celebrini +7
EDM #2 RNH* +7
FLA #3 Bennett +6
OTT #2 Pinto +5
CGY #1 Kadri +5
BOS #1 Zacha +5
CHI #1 Bedard +5
CAR #2 Staal +5
WPG #2 Lowry +5
PHI #1 Couturier +4
SEA #1 Beniers +4
NYR #2 Trocheck +4
BOS #2 Lindholm +4
BUF #2 McLeod +3
NYI #3 Pageau +3
NYR #3 Zibanejad* +3
CBJ #2 Jenner* +3
TBL #3 Paul* +3
CHI #3 Donato** +3
PIT #2 Malkin +2
OTT #3 Norris +2
VAN #2 Chytil +2
VAN #3 Suter +2
PHI #2 Laughton* +1
PHI #3 Cates +1
NSH #2 Stamkos** +1
CGY #2 Backlund +1
CGY #3 Frost +1
WPG #3 Namestnikov +1
STL #2 Schenn +1
TOR #3 Domi* +0
BUF #3 Cozens +0
SEA #2 Wright +0
SEA #3 Gourde +0
CAR #3 Kotkaniemi +0
WSH #3 Dowd +0
NSH #3 Novak +0
COL #2 Colton -1
ANA #1 McTavish* -1
SEA #2 Wennberg -1
MTL #2 Evans -1
PIT #3 Hayes -1
DET #3 Copp** -1
PHI #4 Poehling -1
DET #2 Compher* -1
EDM #3 Henrique -2
COL #3 Mittlestadt -2
MTL #3 Dvorak -2
PIT #4 Lizotte -2
ANA #2 Carlsson -2
CAR #4 Roslovic -2
VGK #4 Roy -3
CHI #2 Dickinson -3
ANA #3 Strome -3
CBJ #2 Fantilli -3
BOS #3 Coyle* -3
OTT #4 Greig* -3
DAL #4 Steel* -3
WSH #4 Eller -4
UTA #4 McBain** -4
UTA #4 Bjugstad* -4
TOR #4 Kampf -5
FLA #4 Nosek -5
BUF #4 Krebs -5
NYR #4 Brodzinski -5
VAN #4 Blueger -5
NYR #3 Carrick* -5
TBL #3 Geekie* -5
DAL #4 Blackwell* -5
SEA #3 Stephenson -6
NJD #3 Haula -6
CBJ #3 Sillinger -6
CBJ #4 Kuraly -6
MTL #4 Dach* -6
EDM #4 Janmark -7
COL #4 Drury -7
CHI #3 Reichel -7
STL #4 Faksa -7
BOS #4 Beecher -7
NSH #4 McCarron -7
WPG #4 Kupari -8
NYI #4 Cizikas -8
TBL #4 Glendening -8
MIN #4 Lauko* -9
LAK #4 Lewis -9
SJS #4 Dellandrea -13
 
Out of those names Oreilly is the best available option that wouldn't be as costly as others. plus the salary is only for two more years and isn't that bad a hit.

And seeing MoRielly go off a bit last night does show that we could have that offensive defenseman already in house... a good trade could unlock that and therefore I think the cheapest and best deal to be had this deadline would be

ROR and Schenn for Robertson, Jarnkrok, Minten and Florida's 2nd rounder
 
This lineup has $3.2 mill in cap space.

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Patches-Tavares-Nylander
McMann-Domi-Robertson
Lorentz-Kampf-Krok
Dewar

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-OEL
Benoit-Timmins

Stolarz
Woll

And all it really needs is a top 9 forward and a top 4 dman. The top 4 dman seems unlikely, but they could use a depth guy.
 



Pro-tip—if you have an iPhone, launch the article from Twitter and switch to “reader” mode before the article fully loads, you can get around the paywall.

Here’s the section about Brayden Schenn. Johnston & Siegel are claiming that he’s Treliving’s primary target, followed by Scott Laughton.

St. Louis Blues captain Brayden Schenn appears to have emerged as the Leafs’ primary target, although there are plenty of hurdles that would need to be cleared in order to land the younger brother of former Toronto defenseman Luke Schenn.

For starters, Brayden Schenn has a full no-trade clause in his contract. He’s also got three seasons remaining beyond this one at an annual cap charge of $6.5 million. Plus there’s no guarantee St. Louis will actually trade one of its core pieces, even though management is gauging interest in Schenn and other veterans.

The price tag on a potential Schenn deal is believed to be significant, potentially requiring the Leafs to put together a package that includes an attractive draft pick (such as their first-round pick in 2026) plus one of their three most sought-after prospects – Easton Cowan, Fraser Minten and Ben Danford – and perhaps Nikita Grebenkin, too. There would likely be an additional price to be paid as a sweetener to make the money work on Schenn’s contract.

Cowan, Minten and Danford tend to come up frequently in trade discussions.

The hope is that if the Blues decide to move Schenn, his control of the process will end up curbing St. Louis’ expected return somewhat.

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Prising Brayden Schenn away from the Blues could cost a pretty penny. (Jeff Curry / Imagn Images)


Challenges aside, there are plenty of reasons why the 33-year-old holds so much appeal to the Leafs.

His familiarity with head coach Craig Berube, his winning pedigree and his competitive two-way game are incredibly attractive. He checks most of the boxes for what the team is looking for in a centre, including the team’s desire to generate offence from the inside. The Leafs would feel much better about their chances heading into a playoff series against Florida or Tampa while being able to roll out Matthews, Tavares and Schenn down the middle.

It’s not clear whether they’ll be able to line everything up and make it happen.

Nine days out from the deadline, Schenn hadn’t yet been formally approached about waiving his NTC by the Blues. In fact, his primary concern was gearing up for the celebrations around his 1,000th NHL game in Washington on Thursday night.

Another player of interest to the Leafs with term remaining on his contract is Scott Laughton of the Philadelphia Flyers. He’s signed through 2025-26 at $3 million per – a reflection of the fact that he doesn’t carry as much potential upside as Schenn. Still, Laughton is from the Toronto area and plays with the kind of edge needed from the bottom six. He’s also got penalty-killing chops and profiles as roughly a 40-point producer.

Of interest here is whether the Flyers ease off the ask of a first-round pick (or equivalent) for Laughton. That’s likely a little too rich for the Leafs, although there’s still plenty of time for horse-trading before 3 p.m. ET on March 7.


They also talk about how the Leafs might be interested in Luke Schenn or David Savard, but that’s presented more as pure speculation rather than being based on any insider information.
 
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