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OT: American Politics

UWHabs said:
Logistics is one reason why they won't realistically be able to pull off insane mass deportations. But for every piece of theatre, they're going to try doing something. It's just a question if they are happy to deport a handful of people, hire, a few hundred new ICE officers, and call it a day, or if they will go to a more extreme level to actually carry it out.
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They will come to the same conclusions that the Nazis did when they overran Eastern Europe and absorbed millions of Jews. There's no place to put them. They originally talked about shipping them all to Madagascar but that became impractical for logistical reasons.

Eventually though, they found a "solution" and MAGA will get there eventually.
 
MindzEye said:
Honestly, he doesn't. The risk with trump is how chaotic everything is and how easily he normalizes crazy shit. I think Vance is too conventional for people to buy that and he'll be held to normal standards by American society once trump is gone.
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No, he wont be held to any standard by the people. What part of "This is a dictatorship" do you not get? Public opinion is irrelevant now. Elections are irrelevant. Representative government is irrelevant. There is only the dictator and his means of coercion and enforcement. If the regime wants something done it's going to get done one of two ways: with silver or with lead.
 
CH1 said:
Who wants to be popular and loved by massive crowds above everything else…. his team might be evil twats jerking to every page in Project 2025 but I doubt Trump has even read the thing
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Trump doesn't have any money. He OWES money. He doesn't need to read things. He'll be told what to do and he'll either do it or he'll "have an accident" and Vance will do it.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Your mistake is this baseless fear of one man being bigger than the country. He’s not and no one will ever be. Don’t worry.
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the US has never elected someone who explicitly ran on being above the law before now. this is something brand new. and he's already proven that he will act on that power.

Scotus is already a maga majority, but within 2yrs the two old non-trump conservatives will retire and it will have a generational maga majority, all appointed by trump.

He has all of congress now, and his caucus isn't divided in the least - they are 100% maga, senate and house. Moreover, if any of them even has thoughts of standing up to trump, they know their career is over the next election.

He has surrounded himself at the highest levels with not only just yes men, but yes sir and more men. And they are immediately getting to work on getting rid of every possible regulatory obstacle in his way, and they have the votes to do it.

At the state level, conservative majorities now know they will be free to do anything they can to ensure gop majorities going forward, with an eager scotus backing them up.

And of course, when anything bad does happen as a result of his policies, he has a pliant and subservient media and social media that will ensure that everyone will blame the deep state, globalists, and immigrants for sabotaging golden donnie's new golden era......and to boot he's already made the more traditional media bend the knee too.

your mistake is not realizing how fragile and tenuous democracy and the rule of law are. they aren't natural states. they need to be fought for every day. they cannot withstand a concerted attack from within.
 
zeke said:
the US has never elected someone who explicitly ran on being above the law before now. this is something brand new. and he's already proven that he will act on that power.

Scotus is already a maga majority, but within 2yrs the two old non-trump conservatives will retire and it will have a generational maga majority, all appointed by trump.

He has all of congress now, and his caucus isn't divided in the least - they are 100% maga, senate and house. Moreover, if any of them even has thoughts of standing up to trump, they know their career is over the next election.

He has surrounded himself at the highest levels with not only just yes men, but yes sir and more men. And they are immediately getting to work on getting rid of every possible regulatory obstacle in his way, and they have the votes to do it.

At the state level, conservative majorities now know they will be free to do anything they can to ensure gop majorities going forward, with an eager scotus backing them up.

And of course, when anything bad does happen as a result of his policies, he has a pliant and subservient media and social media that will ensure that everyone will blame the deep state, globalists, and immigrants for sabotaging golden donnie's new golden era......and to boot he's already made the more traditional media bend the knee too.
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The law has never been executed with such partisan weaponization before Trump, either.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
So everyone in this thread celebrating a Kamala landslide victory for the last several months, including within the last 24 hours, now have more predictions to peddle?

I told you all that people aren’t happy with the way things are going in the country, and in my city. But a bunch of Canadians living in Canada knew better. Lost in the national coverage is LA voting out its shitty DA and voting in a new DA that actually thinks crime should be punished. Maybe we had one too many daily home invasions, I don’t know.

Unfortunately, Kamala was a know nothing pretender, literally couldn’t articulate one policy if she wasn’t reading off a teleprompter, and left a lot to be desired. She didn’t get even 1% of the vote in the dem primaries, but was expected to get half the country to rush out to vote for her in the general election? You all drank the kool aid poured into your cups by Hollywood and CNN. That’s just not the reality here, and it has nothing to do with racism or chauvinism.

The Israel issue was also a big deal. Almost every Jew I know had zero faith or belief that she was going to be good for Israel. Almost every staunch democrat Jewish voter I know went with Trump this time just for that one issue alone.

I also don’t think anyone trusted her and Walz with the economy. That unrealized capital gains tax she wanted put shivers down the spines here, not just because of its own potential disastrous impact, but what else might be coming from them next.

Is a lunatic entering office now? Most definitely. But I’m both a believer that nothing really ever changes, and an optimist who thinks that everything will be okay. All these predictions here betting against America because of this election will be wrong. As Buffett always says, he would never bet against the US and never has. I’m sure it’ll be four years of attempted impeachments and such, and lots of crazy controversial nonsense that will come out of his mouth, but in the end, maybe some policies that come out of it will be good. And in four years, we’ll do it all over again.
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So Jews didn't like Kamala and voted for a Nazi instead.

I thought Jews were supposed to be smart.
 
zeke said:
the US has never elected someone who explicitly ran on being above the law before now. this is something brand new. and he's already proven that he will act on that power.

Scotus is already a maga majority, but within 2yrs the two old non-trump conservatives will retire and it will have a generational maga majority, all appointed by trump.

He has all of congress now, and his caucus isn't divided in the least - they are 100% maga, senate and house. Moreover, if any of them even has thoughts of standing up to trump, they know their career is over the next election.

He has surrounded himself at the highest levels with not only just yes men, but yes sir and more men. And they are immediately getting to work on getting rid of every possible regulatory obstacle in his way, and they have the votes to do it.

At the state level, conservative majorities now know they will be free to do anything they can to ensure gop majorities going forward, with an eager scotus backing them up.

And of course, when anything bad does happen as a result of his policies, he has a pliant and subservient media and social media that will ensure that everyone will blame the deep state, globalists, and immigrants for sabotaging golden donnie's new golden era......and to boot he's already made the more traditional media bend the knee too.

your mistake is not realizing how fragile and tenuous democracy and the rule of law are. they aren't natural states. they need to be fought for every day. they cannot withstand a concerted attack from within.
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Relax. Everything will be fine and next to nothing will change.

You would have bet your life and every penny you have on Kamala riding a massive wave of victory today only just 24 hours ago.

Maybe you don’t know what’s going to happen from here on out either.
 
MindzEye said:
I mean it's either admit that or white wash your history books.



No and no. But that's besides the point. There needed to be something done to close the gap that was created through literally hundreds of years of racism. Racist policies didn't stop with the civil rights movement. Red lining was prevalent until the late 70's/early 80's ffs. That completely knee capped the ability of the black community to partake in the generational transfer of wealth the way the white community did. "Oh hey, we finally took that boot off of your neck, you're welcome...btw, have you heard that new Michael Jackson album, pretty good eh?....so yeah, best of luck catching up to the rest of us with a 100-200 yr head start, toodles!"

A rising ride lifts all boats, if you can afford a boat already. Otherwise a rising tide just drowns you.
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Assumes generational wealth is a significant factor in a significant number of families outside of the one percenters. For some it’s huge but for most it’s not.

The biggest success predictor is parents that stay married maybe because two parents are better than less than two for the kids and because it’s hard to manage a family with one person to not only manage a household but also bring home the bacon.

Maybe the left should give up on the fantasy that all family structures are equally beneficial to society.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
You just elected a fascist dictatorship and you dont even realize it.
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It’s always easy to pick out the people that know jack shit about history.

In the grand scope of human history, every empire, superpower and system of government has eventually fallen. And the United States and its 248-year run is barely a momentary blip on the historical record.

Especially when you take into consideration the country ripped itself apart in a bloody civil war less than 100 years into its history and after being roughly stitched back together, has never healed in the 160-odd years since. And that full US democracy with universal suffrage is even younger, as a 20th century innovation.

But like countless oblivious, short-sighted dumbfucks throughout history, LOF thinks that because the tottering edifice he lives in has stood for his whole life, it’s special and unique and unlike all the others that have been built before it in human history, is immune to collapse. No matter how big the cracks in the foundation are getting and no matter what pressure is exerted on it from outside and within.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Relax. Everything will be fine and next to nothing will change.
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elections have consequences. the first US election to explicitly run on the president being immune from the law will have more serious ones than usual.

for example, your last two gop presidents have taken good economies and turned them into global economic disasters that changed the world.

LeafOfFaith said:
You would have bet your life and every penny you have on Kamala riding a massive wave of victory today only just 24 hours ago.

Maybe you don’t know what’s going to happen from here on out either.
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yeah i guess you haven't been following this thread at all if you thought that.


regardless, a kid standing there telling me "see, i TOLD you i could eat my own poop" isn't exactly a reassuring thing to hear.
 
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