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OT: American Politics

Stinky said:
Time to get more curious about how to reach working class voters.
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I don't think you can. Not in the US, not as a monolith. If you were intending to, Biden era policies would be where you would start but even after 4 years of that, voters trust a guy who has spent more time in bankruptcy court in his life than in church with the economy over the heir to the Biden economy despite the fact his two economic policies are 1) Huge, budget sheet balance destroying tax cuts for the ultra wealthy 2) Tariffs expected to cause rampant inflation on goods sold in the US.

How can you even have a discussion about economic class in an information environment like that?
 
MindzEye said:
I don't think you can. Not in the US, not as a monolith. If you were intending to, Biden era policies would be where you would start but even after 4 years of that, voters trust a guy who has spent more time in bankruptcy court in his life than in church with the economy over the heir to the Biden economy despite the fact his two economic policies are 1) Huge, budget sheet balance destroying tax cuts for the ultra wealthy 2) Tariffs expected to cause rampant inflation on goods sold in the US.

How can you even have a discussion about economic class in an information environment like that?
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To expand briefly, this Jefferson quote is probably apt:

"whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."

The people simply aren't well informed. Education hasn't kept pace with the necessary sophistication of government and society.
 
MindzEye said:
I don't think you can. Not in the US, not as a monolith. If you were intending to, Biden era policies would be where you would start but even after 4 years of that, voters trust a guy who has spent more time in bankruptcy court in his life than in church with the economy over the heir to the Biden economy despite the fact his two economic policies are 1) Huge, budget sheet balance destroying tax cuts for the ultra wealthy 2) Tariffs expected to cause rampant inflation on goods sold in the US.

How can you even have a discussion about economic class in an information environment like that?
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And if there significant overlap with evangelical chauvinists, then outreach will only clarify lines in the sand. They are all or nothing. Pointless frankly.

That said, if outreach can sway some non-Kristian voters, then focus on them. Biden won, after all.
 
MindzEye said:
To expand briefly, this Jefferson quote is probably apt:

"whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."

The people simply aren't well informed. Education hasn't kept pace with the necessary sophistication of government and society.
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The Biden-Inflation meme is an example of economic illiteracy. But no one wants to hear about messy, complicated, real world issues.

So now an super-corrupt felon oligarch has the nuke codes.
 
It is true that she didn't really pick a lane between left/progressive and centrist. I think she's closer to the center at her core (far more than Biden was in his term, for example) but she tossed in some policies to cater to progressives and that probably backfired.

Though, I'm convinced that being a woman, she was always gonna be labeled as a radical commie.
 
hockeylover said:
Saying you hope certain female politicians you don’t like get raped over and over is absolutely not moderate though.
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The certain anti-semitic female politicians you're referring to, that don't have a problem with women and children being raped and killed by savage terrorists, should be fine being raped themselves. It's actually a very moderate viewpoint. Basic logic, and a mere extension of the do unto others principle. You're honestly such a shameless shit-disturber, but it's your favorite thing to do, so have at it.
 
MindzEye said:
I'm not assuming, it's a well studied fact.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

The Lasting Legacy Of Redlining

To better understand present-day housing discrimination, we looked at 138 formerly redlined cities and found most were still segregated -- just like they were designed to be.
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www.brookings.edu

Homeownership, racial segregation, and policy solutions to racial wealth equity

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The left has always preferred that the systemic racism, poverty and over policing of black america go away. The issues are deeply linked. It's not the simple matter of personal morality that the right wants it to be.

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Shared time is a centrally important component of relationship maintenance, and over the past few decades, couples have reported spending increasingly more time together. However, over this same time period divorce rates have risen much higher for ...
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Want divorce rates to go down? Promote economic equality.
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"Good Racism' doesn't exist. "Equity' is merely racism with a sociology degree. Racism creates more racism. Equil, not equity.
 
Montana said:
Or you know…..paid attention to what they did while in office, or said on the campaign trail.

One party increases taxes on those who make $75k+ the other raises it on those who make $400k plus….one wants to improve the social safety net while the other views Atlas Shrugged as the bible, that people just need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, and nobody has any unfair advantages over others, within society. One is pro-union one isn’t…


Like, wtf are you even talking about….


No one is claiming zero people on the right have empathy…..but it’s pretty black & white about which parties policies are more empathetic & looking to help others.
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Empathetic in a very condescending way. Not help them do for themselves but take away the reasons to do so. “You can’t do it yourself because it’s rigged against you so here’s a handout to make me feel better. Oh and to buy your vote, and it will make me feel good to be very charitable with other people’s money”.

That’s not to say that the right has the answer either because they don’t but the left is off the mark in too many areas that sound like they care but don’t work.
 
Preston said:
It is true that she didn't really pick a lane between left/progressive and centrist. I think she's closer to the center at her core (far more than Biden was in his term, for example) but she tossed in some policies to cater to progressives and that probably backfired.

Though, I'm convinced that being a woman, she was always gonna be labeled as a radical commie.
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She comes across (at least to me) as a competent, intelligent person but wasn't consumed by any well articulated policy goal..

all the issues that plagued her ill fated leadership bid quickly came out

I agree that being a woman is a disadvantage, but she mostly offered that she's not Trump (which was almost enough) but she could have used more "I'm not Biden"
 
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