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OT: American Politics

FlyGuy said:
I would not speak out if the DOJ prosecuted people who were perceived as democrats. The DOJ only uses actual laws to prosecute, right?
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An uncorrupted DOJ does, yeah.

Bill Barr is a total prick, but at least you could make the argument he was a legit ag. There is little chance Trump hires anyone this time who is not a total lackey willing to do anything Trump wants, though. That's the message we are trying to get through to you. This time there will be no guardrails.
 
Wayward DP said:
I don't understand if this means you support gay marriage, oppose gay marriage, or have no position. Can you clarify?
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Has nothing to do with it. As I said in my original post, the government shouldn't have anything to do with. But, since they have conferred certain benefits based on if someone is married, they have inserted themselves into it. That's all I have said. A church/religion has the right to decide what they want to do with their sacrament.
 
Wayward DP said:
I consider rule of law on its way out in America.
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As it's traditionally known in the US? Yeah. There's a pretty standard playbook for maintaining the trappings of democracy and rule of law while still being entirely an autocratic state ruled by decree. In Russia they pass all sorts of laws through the Duma, have a constitution that is abided by, etc. But whenever the law or constitution is an impediment to Putin, it or the legal interpretation of it is changed. That's the work around the Trump Republicans have found around the issue with the constitution. They just needed to stack the court with enough Federalist judges who interpret the constitution....differently....than was intended, and at that point nothing is really unconstitional in practice as long as SCOTUS can cobble together a weirdo argument and vote it through.
 
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FlyGuy said:
Has nothing to do with it. As I said in my original post, the government shouldn't have anything to do with. But, since they have conferred certain benefits based on if someone is married, they have inserted themselves into it. That's all I have said. A church/religion has the right to decide what they want to do with their sacrament.
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Right. So gay marriage should be allowed from the government but the church can decide who has a ceremony in their building?
 
axlsalinger said:
An uncorrupted DOJ does, yeah.

Bill Barr is a total prick, but at least you could make the argument he was a legit ag. There is little chance Trump hires anyone this time who is not a total lackey willing to do anything Trump wants, though. That's the message we are trying to get through to you. This time there will be no guardrails.
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Considering guys around Trump got in the way of what Americans want last time, I consider that a good thing.
 
FlyGuy said:
Has nothing to do with it. As I said in my original post, the government shouldn't have anything to do with. But, since they have conferred certain benefits based on if someone is married, they have inserted themselves into it. That's all I have said. A church/religion has the right to decide what they want to do with their sacrament.
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this is nonsensical. you're deliberately avoiding answering a very simple question. we're not talking about religious marriages, those exist as they more or less always have
 
MindzEye said:
As it's traditionally known in the US? Yeah. There's a pretty standard playbook for maintaining the trappings of democracy and rule of law while still being entirely an autocratic state ruled by decree. In Russia the pass all sorts of laws through the Duma, have a constitution that is abided by, etc. But whenever the law or constitution is an impediment to Putin, it or the legal interpretation of it is changed. That's the work around the Trump Republicans have found around the issue with the constitution. They just needed to stack the court with enough Federalist judges who interpret the constitution....differently....than was intended, and at that point nothing is really unconstitional in practice as long as SCOTUS can cobble together a weirdo argument and vote it through.
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It's going to be interesting if/when crazy shit starts going down. I am trying to find the best possible outcome of this catastrophe for my own sanity, so I will say that in theory there are still at least 5 legit people on the Supreme Court, the 3 Libs plus Roberts and Gorsuch are legit and deserve to be on the court.

Alito appears to have lost his mind, Clarence Thomas is obviously for sale and should have resigned already, and Kavanagh/Barrett are probably exactly what you described above, though there is at least some chance one or both will put the Constitution and the Rule of Law over Trump. Some chance.

But even if those 4 are compromised, can we still prevent the worst of the worst with a 5/9 ruling? #TeamHopium
 
FlyGuy said:
Considering guys around Trump got in the way of what Americans want last time, I consider that a good thing.
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There are a lot of Americans who are dumber than my couch. Are you talking about them, or just regular people who are not morons? Because I would think the vast majority of these people, including conservatives, would want an independent AG and DOJ, not a Trump lackey.
 
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