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OT: American Politics

Volcanologist said:
the number of white women voting for Trump is what surprised me. the white men is absolutely no surprise, but the women? with everything that has come out of Trump's mouth on the subject? I guess an awful lot of them must feel like the leopard is never gonna rip their face (or their daughter's face) off. I hope for their sakes they are right.
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I don't think most of us have any idea of the type of information vacuum/bubble many or most Americans live in. at least, that's one of my takeaways for now
 
Volcanologist said:
the number of white women voting for Trump is what surprised me. the white men is absolutely no surprise, but the women? with everything that has come out of Trump's mouth on the subject? I guess an awful lot of them must feel like the leopard is never gonna rip their face (or their daughter's face) off. I hope for their sakes they are right.
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Bill Burr has had white women pegged for years


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1xgXJ5_Q34
 
axlsalinger said:
I planned to ask you this question today, but I am saddened by your attitude. Enjoy getting your jabs in, I guess.

But I would like a serious answer here.

We have seen that you believe things that are demonstrably untrue (in our view), and it just seems like no amount of discussion or evidence can make you change your mind on anything. Now I understand you agree with Trump on certain policies where we can simply disagree, like immigration and mass deportation, tariffs, tax cuts, etc.

This is a hypothetical question. But if he does start trying to dismantle civil liberties, takes steps to install himself as president for longer than 4 years, starts fucking with election laws etc, what are your thoughts on that?

- I don't mind, because he's on my team
- Or would you start to say wait a minute, this is unacceptable and I want the US to remain a democracy and will fight to keep it.

Do you understand on any level that he is a corrupt narcissist, now there are no guardrails, and that this is dangerous? Are you okay with that? Would you support him taking bribes, fucking over our allies, jailing journalists and political rivals, etc.? Assuming that some of these things do happen. I just want to understand if you are prepared to review his performance with any level of objectivity?
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Yes, I'm having fun. Serious response below:

What civil liberties ar eyou referencing? We have a thing called the constitution plus the SCOTUS to ensure those. We also have those two things to prevent him being president longer than 4 years, which he'd never do. One, that's batshit insane. Two, he'll be pretty old and he just got his vindication for 2020.

Elections are run and controlled at state levels. That's part of the republic concept. He can't do much of anything there.

I look at DC and I do not see Trump as someone who is corrupt to the level of the career politicians. He does not sell out our country like they do. He rubs the elbows and does the song and dance with local officials in his private business dealings because that's the way of the world. That's the extent of his "corruption". I think he is a good guy who genuinely likes people and wants to please people. Maybe a bit narcissistic, but not in an evil way, moreso in a funny way; he has extremely deprecating humor.

Bribes? What is he going to do with bribes? He has money. He wants to leave a lasting legacy. That's what he cares about - his legacy on the country.

He can fuck over our allies, in fact I encourage it. We spend way too much with this ridiculously inefficient and ineffective imperial model. There is SO much that needs to be done at home, debt is going to ruin future generations. Fuck the euros.

If a journalist is acting as a spy or mockingbird for intel agencies- leaking to influence the American public- then yes absolutely charge them with espionage. This thing of America's own government manipulating the public via legacy media has got to stop.
 
Volcanologist said:
the number of white women voting for Trump is what surprised me. the white men is absolutely no surprise, but the women? with everything that has come out of Trump's mouth on the subject? I guess an awful lot of them must feel like the leopard is never gonna rip their face (or their daughter's face) off. I hope for their sakes they are right.
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They have brothers, sons, fathers. They also have daughters. They know what the liberal administrations are doing.
 
zeke said:
the tarriff threats will largely be to ensure sweet deals for his personal business interests. as long as china and iran and russia line his pockets, there won't be any real tarriffs.
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Agreed. It will be used as a threat with maybe a few examples to keep the threat legit
 
axlsalinger said:

View: https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1854600897298354571
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Looks like they're going to have a re learn an old lesson

GbzeW7cWYAYcdjG


You can't have business as usual and a flourising society when the rest of the world is at war around you. This was the debate that the right side won in the US 100 years ago.
 
FlyGuy said:
Yes, I'm having fun. Serious response below:

What civil liberties ar eyou referencing? We have a thing called the constitution plus the SCOTUS to ensure those. We also have those two things to prevent him being president longer than 4 years, which he'd never do. One, that's batshit insane. Two, he'll be pretty old and he just got his vindication for 2020.

Elections are run and controlled at state levels. That's part of the republic concept. He can't do much of anything there.

I look at DC and I do not see Trump as someone who is corrupt to the level of the career politicians. He does not sell out our country like they do. He rubs the elbows and does the song and dance with local officials in his private business dealings because that's the way of the world. That's the extent of his "corruption". I think he is a good guy who genuinely likes people and wants to please people. Maybe a bit narcissistic, but not in an evil way, moreso in a funny way; he has extremely deprecating humor.

Bribes? What is he going to do with bribes? He has money. He wants to leave a lasting legacy. That's what he cares about - his legacy on the country.

He can fuck over our allies, in fact I encourage it. We spend way too much with this ridiculously inefficient and ineffective imperial model. There is SO much that needs to be done at home, debt is going to ruin future generations. Fuck the euros.

If a journalist is acting as a spy or mockingbird for intel agencies- leaking to influence the American public- then yes absolutely charge them with espionage. This thing of America's own government manipulating the public via legacy media has got to stop.
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I don't totally disagree (or maybe I'm just trying to cope). Trump is obviously not a good person... His treatment of women (sexual assault, grab them by the pussy). But I actually think he is pro abortion as an example. He just let's others do whatever because he doesn't care. Which is actually what scares me with the current admin.

Money, fame, and power are what motivate him. He wants to keep the grift going.
 
hockeylover said:
I mean surprising for me to come to Habsy’s defence, I know, but at least Habsy wasn’t so delusional as to ever say stuff like Trump genuinely cares about people.
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I meant if Habsy carried on a different path.

Edit : the systems in place, adults in the room, scotus, etc are from the Habsy 2016 playbook

BTW you all owe Habsy an apology. He was right that nothing happens to elites like Trump.
 
MindzEye said:
Looks like they're going to have a re learn an old lesson

GbzeW7cWYAYcdjG


You can't have business as usual and a flourising society when the rest of the world is at war around you. This was the debate that the right side won in the US 100 years ago.
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This the reasoning for intervening in every "democracy" all over the world?
 
worm said:
I meant if Habsy carried on a different path.

BTW you all owe Habsy an apology. He was right that nothing happens to elites like Trump.
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Me? I always said I didn’t know if anything would happen to him but that there would be charges.

Everyone else said no charges.
 
FlyGuy said:
Yes, I'm having fun. Serious response below:

What civil liberties ar eyou referencing? We have a thing called the constitution plus the SCOTUS to ensure those. We also have those two things to prevent him being president longer than 4 years, which he'd never do. One, that's batshit insane. Two, he'll be pretty old and he just got his vindication for 2020.

Elections are run and controlled at state levels. That's part of the republic concept. He can't do much of anything there.

I look at DC and I do not see Trump as someone who is corrupt to the level of the career politicians. He does not sell out our country like they do. He rubs the elbows and does the song and dance with local officials in his private business dealings because that's the way of the world. That's the extent of his "corruption". I think he is a good guy who genuinely likes people and wants to please people. Maybe a bit narcissistic, but not in an evil way, moreso in a funny way; he has extremely deprecating humor.

Bribes? What is he going to do with bribes? He has money. He wants to leave a lasting legacy. That's what he cares about - his legacy on the country.

He can fuck over our allies, in fact I encourage it. We spend way too much with this ridiculously inefficient and ineffective imperial model. There is SO much that needs to be done at home, debt is going to ruin future generations. Fuck the euros.

If a journalist is acting as a spy or mockingbird for intel agencies- leaking to influence the American public- then yes absolutely charge them with espionage. This thing of America's own government manipulating the public via legacy media has got to stop.
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You are so off on Trump, it's one thing I find so hard to understand. He does not care about people even 0.1% in my opinion.

Though having said that, I think people on my side probably hate him too much. He is a despicable person in many ways (and I do find it kind of disturbing that you still can't see this, even a little bit) but he is not evil. Total malignant narcissist (not just "a bit" narcissistic) but Hitler was a fanatic about certain ideas and prepared to carry out a world war and mass murder to achieve his goals. That's not Trump, he doesn't believe in anything, other than enriching himself and promoting his brand (which is himself).

But he does have a lot of debt, and is not as rich as you think. He is absolutely 100% going to take bribes and find ways to enrich himself, there is no doubt about that now. I mean if you could promise me that was the worst of it we would just have to accept it at this point.

As for elections, we can take some solace in the fact that they are run independently, largely by states, and you're right that he is too old to remain a dictator for long. But if he does try to take steps to "become" a dictator in any way, are you prepared to change your opinion and fight against it? Also do you agree with us that it's a really bad thing that there are so many autocracies in the world (which it's always bad for the people living under them), or do you just not care?

But if he did decide to get rid of term limits and run for a 3rd time, would you support that or agree that it's unacceptable?

As for civil liberties, would you just not give a shit if they made gay marriage illegal? Built camps for millions of immigrants? Nationwide abortion ban? Sent out the military to attack American citizens who are protesting? Would you speak out against if if he did start to jail political rivals?
 
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