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OT: American Politics

Nbc exit polls 2020 vs 2024

Men (48%): 45%D / 53%R --> Men (47%): 42%D / 55%R
Women (52%): 57%D / 42%R --> Women (53%): 53%D / 45%R

White (67%): 41%D / 58%R --> White (71%): 41%D / 57%R
Black (13%): 87%D / 12%R --> Black (11%): 85%D / 13%R
Latino (13%): 65%D / 32%R --> Latino (12%): 52%D / 46%R
Asian (4%): 61%D / 34%R ----> Asian (3%): 54%D / 39%R
Other (4%): 55%D / 41%R ----> Other (2%): 43%D / 52%R

White (67%): 41%D / 58%R --> White (71%): 41%D / 57%R
NonWhite (33%): 71%D / 26%R --> NonWhite (29%): 64% / 33%


So whites were exactly the same. And since turnout is slightly down as a percentage this election overall, then it's likely the raw white count is about the same.

so whites weren't the different in any way. actually if they were different in any way it was, shockingly - white WOMEN who came out at a higher rate and came out for Rs at a higher rate.

The real difference though seems to be not just that there was big swing right in latinos, but just that non-whites didn't show up this election like they did last time. So it might not even be that latinos/others actually swung right, but just that Dem latinos/others didn't turn up.



uh oh wait a sec. fuck.

suddenly my spidey senses are tingling.

because if there was a specific target for all the voter registrations that the gop threw out going into the election - it was specifically non-white dem voters.
 
Preston said:
Yeah yeah yeah yeah smallish sample, but there isn't a Latino I know that would vote for a woman.
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I'm torn here. A lot of the latinos I've heard talk about this yesterday and today said similar....but Mexicans just threw 60% super majority support at a female mexican who is also a jew.....at the same time. But yeah, machista culture is definitely a thing in all latin countries to some degree.
 
MindzEye said:
I'm torn here. A lot of the latinos I've heard talk about this yesterday and today said similar....but Mexicans just threw 60% super majority support at a female mexican who is also a jew.....at the same time. But yeah, machista culture is definitely a thing in all latin countries to some degree.
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Think I saw Kamala got 49% of Latino males. It's down significantly from what Biden got, but 1 out of 2 isn't exactly ridiculously low. Definitely a problem, though.
 
MindzEye said:
I'm torn here. A lot of the latinos I've heard talk about this yesterday and today said similar....but Mexicans just threw 60% super majority support at a female mexican who is also a jew.....at the same time. But yeah, machista culture is definitely a thing in all latin countries to some degree.
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Yeah... I can't explain wtf happened in Mexico. Female vote probably carried the load?
 
axlsalinger said:
Think I saw Kamala got 49% of Latino males. It's down significantly from what Biden got, but 1 out of 2 isn't exactly ridiculously low. Definitely a problem, though.
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When there's as much racially/culturally charged stuff thrown at a group as there was this election (and the last 2...) and you're drawing 50% of any demo within the group, you've got a huge problem in getting your message through to them or your message sucks.
 
MindzEye said:
When there's as much racially/culturally charged stuff thrown at a group as there was this election (and the last 2...) and you're drawing 50% of any demo within the group, you've got a huge problem in getting your message through to them or your message sucks.
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I mean the message can't simply be, "They're racist, so vote for us!"

But I would think that the other party demonizing them for the entire election cycle while also threatening to have millions of them deported immediately might be a pretty solid reason not to vote for that party.

I guess Latinos do tend to be a little more socially conservative and religious, but there has got to be a better way for the Dems to court this demographic.
 
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Preston said:
Yeah... I can't explain wtf happened in Mexico. Female vote probably carried the load?
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Morena man. The poor indigenous south was sick of getting the shit end of the stick from the traditional centres of power PRI and PAN. Social democracy in a country with a big but developing economy with terrible economic inequality. Simple and small things like old age pensions and improved rural health care, infrastructure projects in the forgotten south of the country, etc. Sheinbaum is highly qualified, but Morena could have run whoever they wanted and won imo.

Quick bit of anecdata but the wife's dad (bit of a cunt) saved fuck all for retirement and burnt more or less every bridge he ever had (on account of being a bit of a cunt) is in his 70's, lives in a little town an hour from GDL. We used to kick him money when he would stop being a cunt for long enough to ask for help when he needed it. But he was poor. Like go to the park to look at the trees for hours just for something to do poor. Amlo (also a bit of a cunt) instituted an old age pension of like 4-5K pesos a month (~350 CAD) and it was a massive game changer for poor elderly people in Mexico. Sheinbaum just expanded it and some additional pensions for people with medical disabilities. It's the main reason why our out of pocket expenses in dealing with him have dried up over the last bunch of years despite him moving to a nicer (liveable) little house and having some health care challenges over the last few years. Just a tiny bit of social democracy aimed at the right part of society can have a pretty huge effect on quality of life.
 
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axlsalinger said:
I guess Latinos do tend to be a little more socially conservative and religious, but there has got to be a better way for the Dems to court this demographic.
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Been reading a bunch of latin groups since election night and there's few things being thrown around a lot there by angry latinos:

1) Impact of spanish colonialism. Latinos regard whitness as goodness. I've seen this play out in Mexico personally where being light skinned mexican is much preferable to dark skin, even worse is being mestizo/indigenous. Even within what we would consider to be a homogenous culture there are significant class and skin colour divides. To latinos this was partially an election about the white world calling out to them to be one of them, and some of them were ready to listen. This perceived elevation of class has that class of latinos wanting to pull up the ladder behind them because those "other" mexicans are (insert problematic bullshit here)

2) Kind of connected to that, and likely a reason why, was that a huge amount of latinos simply didn't think Trump was speaking to them. They're one of the good ones, not one of the criminals, etc. Trump only wants to deport the criminals. I came here legally!

3) This is a new bit of information to me because I had never really studied who the Mexicans leaving Mexico were but apparently it's like fucking 90% rural mexicans and there is something not too dissimilar to the US/Canadian urban/rural divide in Mexico. It's more complicated because of the differences in regional economy and culture is different in Mexico but the coles notes read similar. Basically it's like if Americans started immigrating (legally and illegally) to Canada but they were all from Montana, Wyoming, Dakotas, etc. We would be asking ourselves why they were all voting for the Conservatives when the Conservatives wanted to throw them out of the country, etc.

4) Machista is a real thing in latin cultures. Worse in some than others from what I understand (Domincan, Colombian, Cuban on the worse side of the spectrum from what I understand) but existing in all.
 
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