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OT: American Politics

leafman101 said:
But intead the narrative is Kamala is scared of Joe Rogan or having a 3 hour conversation, which are two qualities that are not attractive in a president. Like you're supposed to go toe to toe with Putin but you can't handle some idiot like Rogan or Tucker Carlson or whoever?
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Let’s be clear though…..that’s a narrative Rogan intentionally built…..she agreed to an interview, but he demanded she fly to him and sit for 3 hours…

so before anything happens, he’s already framed it as “she’s afraid to be interviewed by me” or “I Joe Rogan, forced her to agree to my terms.”

Not to mention we’ve already seen how this plays out with him during Covid…..when an anti-vax person is on its nothing but layups and going along with virtually everything they say (just like he didn’t hit Trump hard with anything, and didn’t even bring up Epstein…one of Joes favourite topics.) and if he has a vaccine expert on he does what all conspiracy theorists do and bombard them with so much bullshit & wacko theories they can’t possibly refute every single one in the moment because the majority of them are so stupid & fabricated, they wouldn’t even conceive of researching it before hand.

Aside from that sadly, even if it was all on the up and up, Kamala is a poor candidate to do 3 hours of answering on the fly questions….since she doesn’t have the benefit of being able to get out of any question by just bluffing the way Trump is allowed to do.
 
the thing with tariffs is... the the Dems complained about them and kept all of Trump's tarrifs

so they had no leg to stand on there
 
Montana said:
Let’s be clear though…..that’s a narrative Rogan intentionally built…..she agreed to an interview, but he demanded she fly to him and sit for 3 hours…

so before anything happens, he’s already framed it as “she’s afraid to be interviewed by me” or “I Joe Rogan, forced her to agree to my terms.”

Not to mention we’ve already seen how this plays out with him during Covid…..when an anti-vax person is on its nothing but layups and going along with virtually everything they say (just like he didn’t hit Trump hard with anything, and didn’t even bring up Epstein…one of Joes favourite topics.) and if he has a vaccine expert on he does what all conspiracy theorists do and bombard them with so much bullshit & wacko theories they can’t possibly refute every single one in the moment because the majority of them are so stupid & fabricated, they wouldn’t even conceive of researching it before hand.

Aside from that sadly, even if it was all on the up and up, Kamala is a poor candidate to do 3 hours of answering on the fly questions….since she doesn’t have the benefit of being able to get out of any question by just bluffing the way Trump is allowed to do.
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Listening to his Tim Dillon episode today and he said he would've been forced to fly to her and then given 45min. It wasn't worth it. He hasn't done that for anyone else. She had time to fly to NYC for SNL but not to Rogan for an interview?

He also said on this podcast he would've been nice to her and not thrown any "gotcha" questions at her like he treats all his guests, which is true. That's not his gist.

The fact Fetterman could do 3 hours but Kamala couldn't is so damn sad lol.
 
FlyGuy said:
Imagine having such a big fundraising advantage AND legacy media and STILL not knowing how to win over R voters lmao.
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the media in politics is like refs in hockey....both sides constantly whine that the MEDIA is against them..and both sides have all the proof they need to back it up!
 
FlyGuy said:
Listening to his Tim Dillon episode today and he said he would've been forced to fly to her and then given 45min. It wasn't worth it. He hasn't done that for anyone else. She had time to fly to NYC for SNL but not to Rogan for an interview?
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He said it on his own podcast….again, deliberately.


She agreed to an hour, and gave him an opening he turned down, because he’d have had to fly to her….like ABC, NBC, 60 minutes, etc all do…but Joe made sure everyone knew he wouldn’t.

That’s his prerogative & was very valuable propaganda to his now known cause. Joe played it perfectly, was a no lose situation.
FlyGuy said:
He also said on this podcast he would've been nice to her and not thrown any "gotcha" questions at her like he treats all his guests, which is true. That's not his gist.
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You’ve clearly not watched much Rogan during the Covid era….the way he’d treat anti-vax conspiracy folks versus doctors/virologists was night and day.


FlyGuy said:
The fact Fetterman could do 3 hours but Kamala couldn't is so damn sad lol.
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I def don’t disagree she’d suck at it….given his agenda and how seemingly poor she is answering complex questions on the fly in interviews, I think he’d have eaten her up.

Mayor Pete was tailor made for it, if actual differences in policy & governing was to what people wanted to learn about.
 
Montana said:
Let’s be clear though…..that’s a narrative Rogan intentionally built…..she agreed to an interview, but he demanded she fly to him and sit for 3 hours…

so before anything happens, he’s already framed it as “she’s afraid to be interviewed by me” or “I Joe Rogan, forced her to agree to my terms.”

Not to mention we’ve already seen how this plays out with him during Covid…..when an anti-vax person is on its nothing but layups and going along with virtually everything they say (just like he didn’t hit Trump hard with anything, and didn’t even bring up Epstein…one of Joes favourite topics.) and if he has a vaccine expert on he does what all conspiracy theorists do and bombard them with so much bullshit & wacko theories they can’t possibly refute every single one in the moment because the majority of them are so stupid & fabricated, they wouldn’t even conceive of researching it before hand.

Aside from that sadly, even if it was all on the up and up, Kamala is a poor candidate to do 3 hours of answering on the fly questions….since she doesn’t have the benefit of being able to get out of any question by just bluffing the way Trump is allowed to do.
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Ok, but also who cares. He has a massive audience that you want to reach. She can't handle tough questions from a comedian?

Also I just think this narrative that she can't handle talking for 3 hours, or she can't lie, or can't handle hostile situations is crazy. She's a career prosecutor and politician. Thats her area of expertise. But she did not put herself out there to dispel that.

Like I said, the Dems that do it all benefit from it. But they are so few and far between and it makes no sense.
 
CH1 said:
I hate Joe Rogan more than anyone here, but I believe he would have been nice to her
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Rogan was claiming 2020’ was rigged in his most recent pod, but that Trump was “rig proof”

as I say above, if you watch how Rogan interviews some experts vs people who say what he wants to hear, it’s night and day.

Christ, he just had Graham Handcock agreeing with everything and promoting his expertise, after previously having an archeologist on with Graham who shredded everything Graham had to say, with actual facts & data backing him up….just destroying any credibility he may have had.

….but Joe acts like it never happened and continues to promote Handcock, his bs theories, shows, books, etc etc.
 
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There is a career for someone if they want to start a new left winged media beyond the tired MSNBC and talk to the young in the language and media type that they understand.
 
Montana said:
Rogan was claiming 2020’ was rigged in his most recent pod, but that Trump was “rig proof”

as I say above, if you watch how Rogan interviews some experts vs people who say what he wants to hear, it’s night and day.

Christ, he just had Graham Handcock on again agreeing with everything he had to say, after previously having an archeologist on with him who decimated everything Graham had to say, with actual facts & data backing him up. Joe now acts like it never happened and continues to promote Handcock.
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Doesn't he mostly go with the flow and default to agree mode? Maybe not with everyone but I think he would have with Kamala.

Like I said Kamala would be taking a risk (but that's actually valued by many) with the reward being a few clips where she goes toe to toe with Joe, and issues a few "C'mon now, the other side is full of shit, what's really happening is xxxxxx"
 
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