OT: American Politics

[MapleLeafBlueJayBoy]

Must be the KKK eh MLBJB?

 

[lecoqsportif]

Probably not all. But who cares anyway? It’s okay if the insurance companies to have to cover the losses?

There’ll be more boats from Asia bringing in merch. Commercial real estate can be rebuilt, leases signed.

Floyd George is dead.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

You're literally saying these things yourself. Your "clarifications" continue to point towards you believing in some loony shit. Like the same people choking a corpse should have the power to fire "non lethal" shots at people instead of actually pursuing them and catching them. It's flat out insane that you went to law school, are a lawyer, and believe any of this is okay.

I’m getting tired of your twisting shit around. If you don’t get a simple statement laying out two scenarios only, that’s your fucking problem. Don’t start with personal attacks like an asshole.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

No, I'm dragging your revenge porn into the reality the bag of us share.

Yeah, sure, you advocate an arsonist getting away with a crime rather than being hurt while apprehended. I’ll take justice and even revenge before I take your anarchy.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

There’ll be more boats from Asia bringing in merch. Commercial real estate can be rebuilt, leases signed.

Floyd George is dead.

So head down to Bayview Village and burn down the place to show your support. They can just build another one.

 

[lecoqsportif]

I dunno, but I read this sad story of an African immigrant dad in Minny who watched his entire life savings burn to the ground with a shop he just opened. It didn't sound like he had insurance...but I'm assuming he'll get enough media attention to be bailed out via donations.

So, I assume you know the question I would ask in this case.

Very unfortunate.

 

[axlsalinger]

LOF, think about what you're saying here. It's reasonable to argue that looting shouldn't be happening, or tolerated. But it is absolutely outrageous for a goddamn lawyer of all people to be arguing that the police should be shooting into crowds during a riot about bad policing.

Minneapolis police don't exactly have a sterling record when it comes to quality of judgment. By about the 2nd or 3rd person shot, you will probably see the situation escalate 2-4X. And how long till a bystander gets hit? Do you really want to see an innocent person get shot because a riled-up idiot broke a window.

It could be hyperbole, but it's a ridiculous argument. I'm sure if the cops see a person setting fire to a building, they'll get the billy clubs out pretty quick.

Yes, it sucks that there's looting. It sucks much more to have a police officer's knee on your neck cutting off your airflow for 9 minutes.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Dude, I never said that. Don’t read Mindz’s bullshit propaganda posts about shooting into crowds. Read mine and see what I actually said.

 

[lecoqsportif]

Bricks and mortar can be torn down and rebuilt when investors are willing to play. Intermediaries, regulators and suppliers will get in on the act, based in their interest.

One tranche of intermediaries may raise the price of their participation if destructive riots become routine, and brick and mortar is smashed/burnt and rendered unusable before the investment tax benefits are exhausted. These costs are usually passed on to the consumer.

Yet the shipments from Asia keep coming in.

And Floyd George is still dead.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

So if a looter burned down your house tonight, your view on it would be summed up by the house can be rebuilt, but George Floyd is dead, right?

 

[hockeylover]

CNN's Keith Boykin was arrested tonight in NYC, apparently even after identifying himself as press.

 

[lecoqsportif]

Non sequitur. Burning down a residence is literally a threat to human life. i.e. It is on the same trajectory as murder.

But I do have house insurance, for financial reasons.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Non sequitur. Burning down a residence is literally a threat to human life. i.e. It is on the same trajectory as murder.

Oh I see. So the analogy doesn't work because you are currently in the house. I wasn't clear. Pretend you are not in the house, but away on a trip and your neighbor called you to tell you that someone set your house on fire and was holding up a Black Lives Matter sign while doing so. Now is your house still different than the local restaurant that got torched while it was closed?

 

[lecoqsportif]

That would suck. But I’m fully insured. And alive. I can get another house.

Floyd George is fucking dead.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Okay, so you answered it. You would indeed say the burning of your house is justified and okay by you because George Floyd is still dead.

Now it's clear. It's not believable, but it's clear.

 

[lecoqsportif]

Huh?

No. That’s not what I’m saying, or what what I assume others are saying. The point is is that (potentially) lethal harm to people can’t be fully equated to material damage of a Napa Auto Pro. Police need to use extremely careful judgement before “breaking arms and legs”. Your reactionary calls for police violence will lead to irreparable human suffering for the sake of plainly replaceable material assets.

And the residence example is an argument in bad faith/ridiculous. It simply isn’t an issue, nor will it be.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

You don't like that analogy either? Okay, let's pretend you had a store. Your store is fair game for looters, who are justified to remove its contents and burn the structure down in the name of George Floyd?

And again, I am not calling for police violence. I said, for those having difficulty with reading comprehension tonight, that I would not shed a tear over a looter getting harmed in the process of being apprehended for defying the curfew in order to cause mayhem, and if it's between an arsonist getting away with his crime or getting hurt in the process of being apprehended I will choose the latter every single time.

 

[axlsalinger]

Dude, I never said that. Don’t read Mindz’s bullshit propaganda posts about shooting into crowds. Read mine and see what I actually said.

You did say that. And it remains ridiculous.

I’ll clarify further to erase any doubt. If it’s between letting one of these arsonists get away or shooting them in the fucking knee to stop them, fire away.

I said if it’s between the guy getting away and not paying for his crime, or taking a non lethal shot and getting arrested and brought to justice, I take the second option for sure. If you don’t, you’re messed up.

I guess you're going to argue the semantics of a "non lethal" shot. Do you really think an angry cop, running down the street surrounded by fire and a mob of people yelling, is always going to make a perfect shot to the knee? It's a smaller target than the torso, that person is probably running as well. You're insane if you think this is a good idea.

Unless you are objecting to the word "crowd" ... where exactly do you think these people are running?

 

[leafman101]

I mean if you commit arson you deserve the punishment for arson.

Not sure arson is a ”wanted dead or alive” situation though. Capturing bad guys is the job.

 

[leafman101]

The whole point of this is that there is a big countrywide problem with police using excessive force.

Maybe you shouldn’t need a gun to stop a guy with a lighter.