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OT: American Politics

MindzEye said:
I mean, this is all popping off because a cop thought that it was a good idea to keep a black man from breathing for 9 minutes and appears to have stayed on him long after they established that he had no pulse.

Your answer to this is allowing the same people who continued choking a corpse for minutes to pick our targets in a target rich environment for more extrajudicial justice.
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I know some cops, I'm sure you do or at least have as well, I don't think it's fair that people condemn all of them for the actions of the idiots among them.

Every group, every race has utter morons among them.

They should vet psychological profiles better though, no question.
 
MindzEye said:
"Police shouldn't be able to shoot someone about to set fire to an empty building" is not "pro" anything other than pro rule of law.
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The grey area comes in when they are uncertain of the building being empty. Many store owners go into their stores to try to protect them (which I think is a fool's errand).
 
Donald Trump in his 2016 convention speech:

"I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon -- and I mean very soon -- come to an end. Beginning on January 20th, 2017, safety will be restored."

That worked out well. But at least the Secret Service is getting good practice.
 
MindzEye said:
What is the acceptable response here that would bring change?
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MLK got more done with a pen and a microphone than riots. While riots gave him his pulpit, he knew it wasn't the way. So what did the establishment do? They killed the peaceful reverend so this is what you get. Chickens been home roosting for decades.
 
Habsy said:
I know some cops, I'm sure you do or at least have as well, I don't think it's fair that people condemn all of them for the actions of the idiots among them.

Every group, every race has utter morons among them.

They should vet psychological profiles better though, no question.
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As someone said, if you have 10 bad cops and a 1000 good cops but those 1000 good cops do nothing about the 10 bad cops, you have 1010 bad cops.

The issue isn't that there are bad cops. The issue is the bad cops are not punished. They are just shuffled around like the Catholic church shuffles around pedophile priests.
 
Habsy said:
I know some cops, I'm sure you do or at least have as well, I don't think it's fair that people condemn all of them for the actions of the idiots among them.

Every group, every race has utter morons among them.

They should vet psychological profiles better though, no question.
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My views as I've worked with a service longer have evolved quite a bit from when I started. It's completely a fair criticism that services don't do enough to condemn the bad ones.
 
Habsy said:
There's also a countrywide problem of violence against said police. It's a glove in hand issue that won't go away for obvious reasons.
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i think anybody potentially being armed with the artillery of a small nation state is probably a bigger problem and harbinger of police response than violence against cops.
 
axlsalinger said:
You did say that. And it remains ridiculous.





I guess you're going to argue the semantics of a "non lethal" shot. Do you really think an angry cop, running down the street surrounded by fire and a mob of people yelling, is always going to make a perfect shot to the knee? It's a smaller target than the torso, that person is probably running as well. You're insane if you think this is a good idea.

Unless you are objecting to the word "crowd" ... where exactly do you think these people are running?

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No, I didn’t fucking say that. You too are reading in all sorts of other scenarios to try to twist what I’m saying. I’ve specifically said, between two scenarios in a vacuum - one where the arsonist escapes and one where he’s injured and apprehended - I hope for the latter. That’s it. I’m choosing between two definitive results. There’s no third scenario where some insane cop is shooting into a crowd and murdering children accidentally just so that he can land that one non-lethal shot into the arsonist’s leg to stop him, for fuck sake.
 
Habsy said:
I'm having difficulty ascertaining whether you're serious and don't know the difference between residential and commercial or just doubling down on a bad analogy. I'm hoping it's the former but have my doubts.
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I’m saying it doesn’t fucking matter. There’s no scenario where some fucking rioter is justified in burning down your house, your office building, or anything else totally unrelated to the injustice. And anyone pretending like if it was their property, livelihood, and lives being destroyed, they’d be like “ho hum, I’ll just build another one because it’s just property and these rioters are right to do this because George Floyd is still dead” is full of shit.

This carnage was happening 5 minutes away from me last night. I have friends with small children who live within steps of some of the fires and looting. It’s easy to sit in Woodbridge totally detached and unaffected and think that the cops should ask these animals to kindly cuff themselves and wait to be hauled off.
 
fergy57 said:
Strange hill you've chosen LoF, strange hill.
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Like I said, it’s easy to sit in Woodbridge with a bowl of popcorn and say it’s okay for people’s lives to burn down. You’d all have a very different view if it was your lives and property. There’s no doubt about that.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Like I said, it’s easy to sit in Woodbridge with a bowl of popcorn and say it’s okay for people’s lives to burn down. You’d all have a very different view if it was your lives and property. There’s no doubt about that.
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Does seem like you're way more outraged about property than lives tho.
 
Craziest party I’ve ever been to was in Woodbridge and I literally pulled up a lawn chair and a bag of popcorn to watch those fireworks, until we had to wrestle a sword away from tom

So, great call on it being easier to watch this stuff from Woodbridge while enjoying some popcorn rather than being in the thick of things, because getting that sword out of an irate 220 lb drunk guy was no task for the weak or light hearted.
As for poor Tom - it’s a good thing we got that sword away from him because the cops showed up not long after.
 
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