OT: American Politics

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[axlsalinger]

Martial Law has been declared in Canada -- sorry, in Ukraine.

 

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[MindzEye]

 

[worm]

Putin doesn't even get anything out of this.

He's just nuts.

Isn't he just trying to save his own skin from internals?

 

[zeke]

Isn't he just trying to save his own skin from internals?

How does this help that?

 

[worm]

Martial Law has been declared in Canada -- sorry, in Ukraine.

Sucks for Ukrainians but at least they didn't have to wear masks

 

[MindzEye]

Isn't he just trying to save his own skin from internals?

My guess is that this is about legacy. Sentiment, not calculation. Putin sees himself as another in the line of Soviet leaders, believes that the collapse of the USSR was a catastrophe and that every effort should be taken to rewind that.

He's forcing the west to stop him and if we don't, he's going to take everything that isn't in Nato that he can.

 

[worm]

How does this help that?

Rally the ppl by returning glory to the mighty soviet Union?

 

[worm]

My guess is that this is about legacy. Sentiment, not calculation. Putin sees himself as another in the line of Soviet leaders, believes that the collapse of the USSR was a catastrophe and that every effort should be taken to rewind that.

He's forcing the west to stop him and if we don't, he's going to take everything that isn't in Nato that he can.

That makes sense.


Wonder why he never tried this when trump was president.

 

[zeke]

 

[axlsalinger]

I just don't see the end goal here. Is he really going to take over these countries by force and make them pledge fealty and then pretend to be Soviets going forward?

It's never going to happen, most people want to live in their own country, especially having escaped repressive regimes in the past. Russia surely can't be interested in spending years fighting door-to-door.

He may be trying to capture the government leaders, so they should be evacuated.

But what is the end game? The United Nations has got to be willing to stand up with crippling sanctions and if need be, boots on the ground eventually. Otherwise this could go on indefinitely and eventually it'll be China's turn.

 

[MindzEye]

I really don't want to cheer escalation, death, and violence...but man, if Ukraine could bloody Russia's nose enough as the rest of the world lays heavy sanctions....

 

[lecoqsportif]

Rouble tanking… but they built up fx reserves for exactly this.

 

[zeke]

That makes sense.


Wonder why he never tried this when trump was president.

Because Trump pulled out of the Open Skies Treaty, blackmailed Ukraine for dirt on Biden, refused to arm Ukraine, and attacked nato relentlessly.

Aka because Trump was his ally

 

[zeke]

I just don't see the end goal here. Is he really going to take over these countries by force and make them pledge fealty and then pretend to be Soviets going forward?

It's never going to happen, most people want to live in their own country, especially having escaped repressive regimes in the past. Russia surely can't be interested in spending years fighting door-to-door.

He may be trying to capture the government leaders, so they should be evacuated.

But what is the end game? The United Nations has got to be willing to stand up with crippling sanctions and if need be, boots on the ground eventually. Otherwise this could go on indefinitely and eventually it'll be China's turn.

A dash of desperation and a pinch of psycho.

 

[lecoqsportif]

I really don't want to cheer escalation, death, and violence...but man, if Ukraine could bloody Russia's nose enough as the rest of the world lays heavy sanctions....

I dunno. It’s clear Mafia State has been prepping this for a long time.