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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

Had probably 15 people cancel last min due to contact tracing and another 5 due to having covid... fuck I wish ford has just shut us down. By the time it got bad it was too late to cancel.
 
I will say that everyone should have a covid plan (it's one of the things I'm kicking myself on). Testing isn't possible so most people will eventually need to isolate, make sure you know who is getting you groceries if you can't survive 7-10 days on what's on hand.
 
I worry about parenting if I get it. It'd be almost impossible for my wife to stop working for 10 days on short notice.
 
Good call re: covid plan. Lotta stuff I never thought about before I got it. Would've just gone out to SDM while sick in years past tbh.

Also save your sick time as much as possible, lot of people at my work ran out and were sick for like 3-4 weeks.
 
Oh. And it sounds like Omicron has different symptoms but some kind soul dropped off gatorade and pedialyte early on and I'm pretty sure it spared me a hospitalization like the girl I got it from. Might not hurt to have some somewhere in the house.
 
The most comprehensive study today regarding omicron actually sorta implies the severity risks are a bit higher for vaxxed double dosed folks than they were with delta. The study was a bitch to get through and mostly just lots of data thrown around but it was adjusted and had a much larger sample than the Scottish data. With some help from nerds I semi interpret it as follows:

Tldr: we expect to see a milder wave because more vaxxed people will get infected than in waves past. Vaxxed people have strong protection against severe disease so proportionally the case hospitalization ratio will naturally drop. However in delta breakthroughs so far England has found they are slightly milder (or less likely to be hospitalized, although one may argue the difference is statistically insignificant) than omicron breakthroughs. Slightly. Even if omicron MAY potentially be ~20% milder than delta if we're comparing two unvaxxed individuals. The vaccines simply protect better against delta so it makes sense that delta breakthroughs would be slightly milder OR just as mild as omicron breakthroughs.
 
trujaysfan said:
Any chance that entire study can be chalked up to recently double dosed vs lowered immunity protection?
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It adjusts for every single factor (maybe too much tbh.. it's really complex). The theme is that the "omicron is more mild" bit has way more to do with prior immunity, which is a very powerful thing. The unvaxxed have always skewed the severity numbers. Now we're seeing the vaxxed get infected just as much as the unvaxxed per capita and they have clear, incredible protection from severe disease.

And with time, as we're exposed more and more to the virus through infection and with variant specific vaccines that protection will only improve. This is just the first time we can clearly see it at the population level thanks to omicron's immune evasion.
 
trujaysfan said:
I will say that everyone should have a covid plan (it's one of the things I'm kicking myself on). Testing isn't possible so most people will eventually need to isolate, make sure you know who is getting you groceries if you can't survive 7-10 days on what's on hand.
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Thank God Uber Eats here has grocery delivery. Got a big order delivered yesterday. Also since I'm stuck inside, good news is it gets me a little back into the cooking mood, although always a little annoying to know I can't just pop out to the store to grab an onion or pepper or whatever if I'm a little short.
 
The one data point that the nerds keep ignoring that imo is so, so important is people hospitalized because of covid vs ppl hospitalized with covid - At least until we have a better grasp on length of stay / outcome severity.

Data from SA and Denmark both showed a huge proportion (25+%) of covid positive patients in hospital for reasons other than covid. Which might not be too concerning given transmissibility of this variant.

anyways of the folks I know who’ve got it… all still very mild symptoms or asymptomatic.

friend who is in covid rd 2 said she feels 100 pct already (showed mild symptoms on Monday)
 
mbow30 said:
The one data point that the nerds keep ignoring that imo is so, so important is people hospitalized because of covid vs ppl hospitalized with covid - At least until we have a better grasp on length of stay / outcome severity.

Data from SA and Denmark both showed a huge proportion (25+%) of covid positive patients in hospital for reasons other than covid. Which might not be too concerning given transmissibility of this variant.

anyways of the folks I know who’ve got it… all still very mild symptoms or asymptomatic.

friend who is in covid rd 2 said she feels 100 pct already (showed mild symptoms on Monday)
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This adjustment was included in the England study. And young people got it fairly mild pre-vaccines. I was barely symptomatic. Reinfections and vaccines reduce your risk of hospitalization by another 60-70% if infected. That's... Incredible protection and explains why young healthy people are getting it mild. And it also likely explains why the SA wave has been 50-60% less severe than their delta wave.

This is a good thing btw. We want to see this because it's the only way we get normalcy back at some point. A milder variant helps us in the short term but flip a coin on the next one... It could be much more severe. If vaccines and prior infection can negate any increase in severity that's what we want.
 
I'll see if Dr presto can find a stat for this...

I've tested negative 7 days in a row (rapid tests) including 7 times in the last 3.5 days.

Have a runny nose and a slight cough yesterday. Covid or stress related cold?
 
And to be clear the end point on the English study was hospitalization rate. Not disease progression from there. Fatality rate or icu could behave differently.

But 200 hospitalizations in the English study vs 15 in the Scottish. This one was just way more powerful and I put more faith in that. Seems it could be a touch milder but nothing crazy. Immunity is a powerful thing. It's required for endemicity!
 
trujaysfan said:
I'll see if Dr presto can find a stat for this...

I've tested negative 7 days in a row (rapid tests) including 7 times in the last 3.5 days.

Have a runny nose and a slight cough yesterday. Covid or stress related cold?
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That's a lot of testing. In the past with rapid tests you tested positive a little before infectious and much before symptomatic. I'm reading that this has changed with omicron and rapid tests may miss the first ~24 hours of infectiousness. Now that they're becoming more available they're less accurate. Sweet!


With that said it sounds like a cold but get your pcr.
 
Preston said:
That's a lot of testing. In the past with rapid tests you tested positive a little before infectious and much before symptomatic. I'm reading that this has changed with omicron and rapid tests may miss the first ~24 hours of infectiousness. Now that they're becoming more available they're less accurate. Sweet!


With that said it sounds like a cold but get your pcr.
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Got it today so we shall see... also got booster on Monday. Either way we have to isolate til Saturday at least
 
trujaysfan said:
But usually contagious before symptomatic?
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Yes. Though I've been seeing a lot of people show symptoms and still test negative on omicron using a rapid nasal swab. This is very new and omicron specific I think. All anecdotal at this point but there are A LOT of examples. I'm sure it's different for everyone but definitely not ideal for these tests.
 
Preston said:
Yes. Though I've been seeing a lot of people show symptoms and still test negative on omicron using a rapid nasal swab. This is very new and omicron specific I think. All anecdotal at this point but there are A LOT of examples. I'm sure it's different for everyone but definitely not ideal for these tests.
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To summarize... no positives tests in 7 days should mean not contagious for the first 6 days at min
 
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