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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

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axlsalinger said:
This is what we're up against... You can't explain nuance or scientific method to these folks. It was definitely too early for anyone to suggest we knew for certain vaccines would stop transmission. Twitter suspending the OP is stupid though. It just adds fuel to the outrage machine.









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I guess what blows me away is that in their worldview, nothing is allowed to change between March of last year and now. Any statement made March of last year is not able to change in any way regardless of the new facts on the ground or else it's all a lie.

This really boils down to a struggle between people who understand what science is at it's root and those who require definitive mandates to remain stable for their entire fucking lives.
 
MindzEye said:
I guess what blows me away is that in their worldview, nothing is allowed to change between March of last year and now. Any statement made March of last year is not able to change in any way regardless of the new facts on the ground or else it's all a lie.

This really boils down to a struggle between people who understand what science is at it's root and those who require definitive mandates to remain stable for their entire fucking lives.
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TLDR: You believe in tyranny and concentration camps for the unvaxxed
 
Maddow's comments were pretty dumb even at the time tbh. Assuming immunity was long lasting or that variants that evade immunity wouldn't arise was never a correct take. Journalists speaking about science with confidence should be banned. Just listen to the nerds and call it a day.
 
MindzEye said:
I guess what blows me away is that in their worldview, nothing is allowed to change between March of last year and now. Any statement made March of last year is not able to change in any way regardless of the new facts on the ground or else it's all a lie.

This really boils down to a struggle between people who understand what science is at it's root and those who require definitive mandates to remain stable for their entire fucking lives.
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It's not even science it's just the fundamental building blocks of reality.
 
Preston said:
Maddow's comments were pretty dumb even at the time tbh. Assuming immunity was long lasting or that variants that evade immunity wouldn't arise was never a correct take. Journalists speaking about science with confidence should be banned. Just listen to the nerds and call it a day.
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That's fair, but on the date the comments were made nothing was incorrect or crazy about them. She was wrong to speak so definitively, but that's about the extent of it. Shit has gone almost as wrong as it possibly could have since then, well worse than most experts were expecting. Further mutation including immune escape was predicted, but not like Delta and Omicron, not this fast.
 
Aberdeen said:
It's not even science it's just the fundamental building blocks of reality.
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Magical thinking vs Realism

Magical thinkers have a mandate from their personal diety that the world is a certain way and more or less unchangeable. That there is a big plan and that they have a personal place in it.

Realists know that's all horseshit, but the above is far more comfortable to root your worldview in for most people, so here we are.
 
MindzEye said:
Magical thinking vs Realism

Magical thinkers have a mandate from their personal diety that the world is a certain way and more or less unchangeable. That there is a big plan and that they have a personal place in it.

Realists know that's all horseshit, but the above is far more comfortable to root your worldview in for most people, so here we are.
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which unfortunately for many of them is donald trump
 
MindzEye said:
That's fair, but on the date the comments were made nothing was incorrect or crazy about them. She was wrong to speak so definitively, but that's about the extent of it. Shit has gone almost as wrong as it possibly could have since then, well worse than most experts were expecting. Further mutation including immune escape was predicted, but not like Delta and Omicron, not this fast.
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Once alpha came with that level of increase in transmissibility in just a year, most nerds revised expectations and most that I follow did sorta predict this within a 1-2 year period. I know both Gupta and Andersen called it pretty exactly and were called doomsdayers. And then Gupta said he expects a super variant that evades nearly all immunity to appear within 6 months (with over 50% confidence). A week later omicron was discovered.

Alpha was the warning that this is mutating way faster than expected... That was when most nerds felt that vaccines wouldn't end things. And you had variants like beta and gamma that do a pretty good job at evading immunity but lacked the transmissibility over alpha to take over. But you saw the potential just based on the amount of mutating this thing did. Plus they did bring up that duration of immunity was unlikely more than 6-12 months as well, nor was it sterilizing immunity as Maddow implies.


But... Yes at the time that was the common opinion and with the variant circulating at that very moment, vaccines were clearly really really good. Not perfect, but very good. I was just never a fan of that messaging because it was always fairly clear we'd end up in this position and you have morons now saying that they were "lied to" about the vaccines. Shoulda been honest because even without that symptomatic protection these things are mindblowingly effective.
 
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Case in point:



This is what you promote aggressively from the very beginning. We don't need to be lectured by some journalist who rambles confidently in half truths that were never gonna age well. The data speaks for itself.
 
hockeylover said:
People know less than ever while thinking they know more than ever.
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The funny thing about the scientific method is that the more you learn, the more you realize you don’t know, if that makes sense. Every new discovery forces you to reevaluate things you were wrong about and naturally brings up a whole bunch of new questions that need answers.

I can see how that’s scary as fuck to people who take a lot of comfort out of believing they have the answers to all the big questions, see everything in shades of black & white and who abhor any kind of change.
 
"Hello, please explain complex immunology and epidemiological concepts to be in 140 characters or less to me, jock with no science background."

There's no convincing there. When I joined twitter, I followed a bunch of athletes and I've been unfollowing one by one because they "like" a whole bunch of "just asking questions" dummies.
 
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