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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

leafman101 said:
Social media is the worst. Growing up we were taught don't trust anything you read on the internet, scrutinize your sources, get multiple sources to defend any argument, and research and attack the weaknesses in your argument to see if it holds up.

Now its whatever tweet that shows up in your echochamber is the catchiest and on brand goes viral. I mean lets be honest, no one is even reading those entire threads.
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Ironically it seems like it's the ones who warned us about believing everything we see on the internet that share, in particular, absolutely bonkers Facebook disinformation the most freely.
 
axlsalinger said:
Absolutely, one of the biggest problems in the world right now is that so many people can't tell the difference between real and fake news on social media. Being able to tell who the legit sources of info are is a skill.

I'm just saying that to someone on the other "team", that thread I posted sounds at least somewhat plausible. So does Josh's thread, as we know. It's a huge problem.

Also, to be clear I wasn't saying we should read it. I was just saying, check out this thread, it's funny because it sounds reasonable even though he's making the exact opposite argument!
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we agree on this!
 
Wayward DP said:
it seems like Joe and his backers instead of accepting that he has been 'inadvertently' peddling misinformation is minimizing the scope and extent of it. yes, that is what I took from the video. you took something different which is fine and I am not going to suggest that you ought to think differently.

this is a false equivalency on many levels and part of what/why I found the video objectionable.

in the event I am wrong can you provide an example of someone who, in hindsight, was correct about masking, vaccination, etc. but was 'cancelled' for holding that opinion at the time?

yeah I fully support people being 'attacked' on the basis of the opinions they hold. no issues here. that includes all of us on these here message boards.

if there is evidence of folks being 'banned' for holding opinions that were contrary to the mainstream back in the early pandemic days, I want to see it. but I haven't yet and so find this claim dubious.

again, I think this is an overly reductionist analysis. I think the content in the two particular episodes is the most objectionable, but the whole ivermectin debacle is its own thing and my understanding is extended well beyond just two particular podcasts. and its not like those two episodes stand out as being unique and the only ones dabbling in the realm of covid bullshit.

he had an opportunity to do a full mea culpa and set the record straight. instead he recorded a 9 minute video that starts off with a bullshit false equivalency, and then proceeds to explain/justify where he was coming from while reaffirming he only has good intentions throughout, acknowledging a smidgen of wrongdoing (without addressing the harms it causes or why folks are so up in arms about it), and makes promises to 'do better'.

but, he does manage to appear to be a 'good guy' and pretty down to earth and one of the boys, which I gather is his shtick, so mission accomplished?
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People were definitely suspended or banned from social media for misinformation on covid. I am not going to spend an hour or two going back through tweets trying to find them. It may be someone posted a bunch of misinfo tweets and it turns out some of what they said was true, much of it not. People aren't generally banned for 1 post unless it's particularly egregious. There have been gangs of people (from both sides) who report someone trying to get them banned, these things happen all the time.
 
Banned or disagreed with? Michael Osterholm has been on the cloth masks are useless bandwagon since 2020. He was disagreed with by some but not villified or canceled. At the time there was incomplete data on that so healthy debates were valid on that topic. We didn't know for sure. Other experts like the one I posted earlier warned about the limitations of vaccines and the same held true for him.

It's really really hard to get banned from social media. I think it took years for it to finally happen to zeke and that guy gets banned from everything. Typically it's the extremist takes that get you banned and the truth with most of this covid stuff is somewhere in between the Eric Dingaling's and Monica Gandhi's (neither of which have been banned despite posting a lot of disinformation throughout).
 
Preston said:
Banned or disagreed with? Michael Osterholm has been on the cloth masks are useless bandwagon since 2020. He was disagreed with by some but not villified or canceled. At the time there was incomplete data on that so healthy debates were valid on that topic. We didn't know for sure. Other experts like the one I posted earlier warned about the limitations of vaccines and the same held true for him.
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got a box of n95s in March 2020 pre lockdowns/mask mandates thanks to that guy. Should’ve bet on his COVID takes.
 
I mean Malone is probably one person who said at least one of the things Rogan mentioned months ago. Doesn't mean he also didn't post a shitload of incorrect stuff as well. Rogan should have said "attacked like piranhas on a carcass" instead of banned. Now stop examining every word like it's the Zapruder film! It was a quality response overall.
 
axlsalinger said:
I mean Malone is probably one person who said at least one of the things Rogan mentioned months ago. Doesn't mean he also didn't post a shitload of incorrect stuff as well. Rogan should have said "attacked like piranhas on a carcass" instead of banned. Now stop examining every word like it's the Zapruder film! It was a quality response overall.
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I'll say this because I can't let this go. Malone said that the vaccines wane over time. If he kept it at that no one would attack him relentlessly. It's true and no one ever disagreed with that. I think it's his implications of these crazy dangers of the vaccines and possibility of ADE, which is aggressively countered by every single expert; there is no sign of this and you can clearly see it in the data, that result in the attacks.

The ADE claim is batshit. It implies that the vaccines are causing more severe disease. It happens and has happened extremely rarely with other diseases but there is zero sign of this with covid. It's not a threat, full stop. That's a very easily refutable claim but he continues to push it.
 
Wayward DP said:
I don't think we are going to agree on this point, which is fine. For me, among the other things mentioned, there was no acknowledgment or appreciation of the harm and potential harm which still rankles.
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i think it was an okay response but only because my expectations were so low
 
Wayward DP said:
to be honest I would not have watched it but for the commentary on here, which maybe made me expect more than what I got. who knows.
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i skipped over it the first time

then stopped watching after 3 mins the second time

but i am with you - he could have done more - maybe he will on is next podcast that i wont listen to
 
I have no idea if shit like this actually helps but shit Japan is so far ahead of western countries. So cool.



They kept omicron out for awhile and that led to conspiracy theories that they were giving out ivermectin to people. It was even mentioned by beleafer's doctor, the Campbell guy. Debunked obviously... they're not prescribing it there at all. And now they're getting fucked up by omi of course.
 
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