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MindzEye said:
I think that's going to be the arc though, sweet kid to homelander's douche kid to redemption when he realizes his old man is a monster.
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Or he goes so wild Homelander himself flips protagonist. A few ways it could go.
 
Habsy said:
Or he goes so wild Homelander himself flips protagonist. A few ways it could go.
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That would be a shit arc for everyone though...

- There's no redemption for how fucked up Homelander is, how do you redeem that with one decision to kill your newly made lunatic son who only became a lunatic because of your influence?
- It fucks Butcher's whole Becca arc, the boy is all that's left of Becca. Killing Homelander becomes pretty empty other than just tying up a loose storytelling end. It stops meaning anything really....unless he kills all the Supes (starlight, the asian chick...all of them) at the same time.
- It makes Butcher entirely right about Supes in the end...can't be good under any circumstances, they've all gotta die.
- Which makes the rest of the Boys wrong about Butcher being a lunatic unto himself, and ever questioning/challenging his methods

Would just be bad writing imo, especially after Butcher protects Hughie from taking too much V in this last season, saving his life. They're setting up a Butcher sympathetic ending imo after showing him as a non superpower mirror image of Homelander for a fair bit of the last few seasons.
 
MindzEye said:
That would be a shit arc for everyone though...

- There's no redemption for how fucked up Homelander is, how do you redeem that with one decision to kill your newly made lunatic son who only became a lunatic because of your influence?
- It fucks Butcher's whole Becca arc, the boy is all that's left of Becca. Killing Homelander becomes pretty empty other than just tying up a loose storytelling end. It stops meaning anything really....unless he kills all the Supes (starlight, the asian chick...all of them) at the same time.
- It makes Butcher entirely right about Supes in the end...can't be good under any circumstances, they've all gotta die.
- Which makes the rest of the Boys wrong about Butcher being a lunatic unto himself, and ever questioning/challenging his methods

Would just be bad writing imo, especially after Butcher protects Hughie from taking too much V in this last season, saving his life. They're setting up a Butcher sympathetic ending imo after showing him as a non superpower mirror image of Homelander for a fair bit of the last few seasons.
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Yeah, it just doesn't work.

I mean I'm sure a lot of people could never come to grips with Negan turn on TWD... but he wasn't as evil as Homelander. Like really... Rick's crew actually murdered a bunch of his people, unprovoked.
 
MindzEye said:
That would be a shit arc for everyone though...

- There's no redemption for how fucked up Homelander is, how do you redeem that with one decision to kill your newly made lunatic son who only became a lunatic because of your influence?
- It fucks Butcher's whole Becca arc, the boy is all that's left of Becca. Killing Homelander becomes pretty empty other than just tying up a loose storytelling end. It stops meaning anything really....unless he kills all the Supes (starlight, the asian chick...all of them) at the same time.
- It makes Butcher entirely right about Supes in the end...can't be good under any circumstances, they've all gotta die.
- Which makes the rest of the Boys wrong about Butcher being a lunatic unto himself, and ever questioning/challenging his methods

Would just be bad writing imo, especially after Butcher protects Hughie from taking too much V in this last season, saving his life. They're setting up a Butcher sympathetic ending imo after showing him as a non superpower mirror image of Homelander for a fair bit of the last few seasons.
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Why is Ryan being a protagonist a better arc though? What you're describing is typical Hollywood "happy ending" and the boys certainly isn't typical Hollywood.
 
Habsy said:
Why is Ryan being a protagonist a better arc though?
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A better arc than literally everything else above turning out to be wrong with the show? In that arc Butcher is right and then dies but without fullfilling his quest, which isn't just to kill Homelander, it's to kill all the Supes. Anything less than killing all of the Supes isn't a W for Butcher by his own admission numerous times.

Habsy said:
What you're describing is typical Hollywood "happy ending" and the boys certainly isn't typical Hollywood.
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It's not as different as you think beyond the shock value of the violence. Butcher is a pretty typical "chaotic good" anti hero and the show has already positioned everyone else in the gang as 1) better people than Butcher & 2) opposed to his methods. The writers have already started setting this up imo.
 
Yeah, I think Ryan killing Homie is the way it has to end, and how they’ve positioned it, aside from the last interaction I saw between Ryan and Butcher where he got pissed. The relationship between Ryan and Butcher still probably has more twists and turns before we get there. The kid who plays Ryan is really good in his role btw.
 
That team up fight against Homie was also pretty damn awesome in the herorgasm episode. And the sex stuff there for some reason didn’t sicken me as much as Deep’s threesome with octopussy. Again, stuff where I’d look at the writer and wonder what the hell is wrong with him. It’s mildly funny but beyond cringe.
 
They really need to improve the side characters imo.

Why are Flash 2.0 and aquaman Jr there? Starlight is up and down
 
They are who they are in the comics, I'd imagine.

I think it's more of a tongue in cheek thing with them because they're all obvious rip offs of popular characters - Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Noir is probably the closest to Batman. The point wasn't to be original there, but to riff on the existing inspirations for them.

But Crawford who plays Deep makes my skin crawl in every scene with both just his general appearance and demeanor and the gross fish sex stuff. A Train is pretty bad on all fronts, both actor and character. Starlight is meh. I like Maeve a lot. Noir is cool.
 
MindzEye said:
If I have to guess, they're going to use Homelander's son (who the show runners confirm will be significantly more powerful than Homelander) to end up doing the deed. Again if I'm guessing, I'd bet on Butcher and Alex making up at the end (Butcher sacrifice) and Alex killing Homelander with Butcher's belief in Alex changing how he looks at the existence of Supes.
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There was also an in-show hint of that power difference too. When Stormfront got hit by Homelander’s lasers, it was no more harmful to her than a bit of rough foreplay.

When Ryan lasered her, she ended up looking like Vader after Obi-Wan chopped off his limbs and dumped him into a lava pit.
 


I'm into it. Love the Hammster, but he comes off as more clever than dopey like Chase was.

Makes me question, as usual, why they needed to call it Fletch. Couldn't it have been just as promising if it wasn't a remake and they literally just changed his name?
 
Habsy said:
Well considering Ryan's smirk at the end of season 3 I'm not so sure he'll be a protagonist.

@MindzEye
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Hmm. I didn’t like the way S3 ended as much as I did S2. Feels like instead of ratcheting up, they chickened out of an explosive ending in favor of just stalling and circling back to where we started S3.
 
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