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OT: NFL thread

Hard for Pats to win when their leading rusher is Brady with 13 yards.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
They shouldn't have. They beat themselves. Brady misfired on two second half pass attempt to a wide open receiver that would have both gone for touchdowns had he been able to hit the receiver. He had an off day, probably because his O-line didn't block for him. And let's face it, it's not like Manning was dominant himself. If these two QB's had been on their games, the combined score wouldn't have been only 38 points.
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Brady was shit at times, and his OL was "another pathetic failure". Sebastian Vollmer was embarrassing and Skippy McDaniels play calls left him badly exposed.

But that's as good as it gets for Manning now. He has a noodle arm... still has great timing on timing routes when he was getting air under the ball, he did well there. But his arm is done. No lasers.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
They shouldn't have. They beat themselves. Brady misfired on two second half pass attempt to a wide open receiver that would have both gone for touchdowns had he been able to hit the receiver. He had an off day, probably because his O-line didn't block for him. And let's face it, it's not like Manning was dominant himself. If these two QB's had been on their games, the combined score wouldn't have been only 38 points.
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Manning hasn't been his "dominant self" in 18 months at least. The Broncos win on defence.
 
GrandWazoo said:
Did you watch the game or just looked at the scoreboard? He wasn't very good in that game, lots of bad throws and decisions.
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Exactly. Palmer was lucky not to have that across the width of the field pass turn into a pick 6. Instead it becomes a huge gain. That isn't skill; it's dumb luck.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Exactly. Palmer was lucky not to have that across the width of the field pass turn into a pick 6. Instead it becomes a huge gain. That isn't skill; it's dumb luck.
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It was dumb luck?

His receiver was WIDE OPEN, there was no one close to him. There was 0 chance that it was being intercepted.

Yeah, normally those cross field passes are a bad idea, but you are assuming he still would have thrown that pass if there was a defender within 20 yards of Fitzgerald. Thats a big assumption.

Thats like saying oh most of the time a guy who shoots from the redline won't score, but he did get a goal cause the net was empty, thats just dumb luck. No, he doesn't make the same play if there is a goalie in the net.
 
BKerr said:
He did enough to win though... isn't one aspect of clutch coming up big at the end when it matters?

Whatever though, we have a three game sample size (against the best teams in the NFL) and we are declaring a QB who is 1-2 in those games, not clutch?
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Except he didn't come big in the end and almost blew it.

In any case, no matter what you want to call it, he was putrid today.
 
BKerr said:
He did enough to win though... isn't one aspect of clutch coming up big at the end when it matters?

Whatever though, we have a three game sample size (against the best teams in the NFL) and we are declaring a QB who is 1-2 in those games, not clutch?
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More evidence that you truly don't know what "clutch" means.

Tom Brady was more than clutch today & he still lost.
 
Don't try to tell me that the the play was drawn up that way. It was a heave and a hope, the kind of stupid shit that Tebow used to do and sometimes get away with.
 
GrandWazoo said:
Except he didn't come big in the end and almost blew it.

In any case, no matter what you want to call it, he was putrid today.
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Almost blew it is evidence of non clutch?

If he almost won it today, would that have been clutch?



But still 3 games... we are judging him on 3 games.
 
GGpX said:
More evidence that you truly don't know what "clutch" means.

Tom Brady was more than clutch today & he still lost.
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Was his interception on the final pass clutch?
How about the 3 interceptions in the game?
18 points is clutch?
Blowing a drive on downs with 6 minutes left?
 
lecoqsportif said:
Brady was shit at times, and his OL was "another pathetic failure". Sebastian Vollmer was embarrassing and Skippy McDaniels play calls left him badly exposed.

But that's as good as it gets for Manning now. He has a noodle arm... still has great timing on timing routes when he was getting air under the ball, he did well there. But his arm is done. No lasers.
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In all fairness, he was up against Ware who is a pretty good DE
 
lecoqsportif said:
Brady was shit at times, and his OL was "another pathetic failure". Sebastian Vollmer was embarrassing and Skippy McDaniels play calls left him badly exposed.

But that's as good as it gets for Manning now. He has a noodle arm... still has great timing on timing routes when he was getting air under the ball, he did well there. But his arm is done. No lasers.
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And in Manning's defence, his receivers both last week and today dropped a lot of passes that were thrown right into the numbers.
 
BKerr said:
Almost blew it is evidence of non clutch?

If he almost won it today, would that have been clutch?



But still 3 games... we are judging him on 3 games.
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Most people in life don't get the benefit of sample size, you don't get 10 chances of nailing that important neeting or interview, some players only get one game to do their impression.

This was Palmer's big chance, he finally was healthy with a strong team with a real chance at winning it all. He was coming up a MVP candidate season with the best group of receivers in the league. He delivered a shaky performance against GB that proved enough to win so he got a second chance to deliver a strong performance to send his team to the SB and he failed, he chocked badly. Maybe he'll get another chance to redeem himself and if he does then everything will be forgiven but if not he will remain a chocker.
 
Youre missing the point.

In order to be able to determine if someone is clutch or not you have to have repeated results.

Anyone can have a bad game.

Unless its repeated.. its too small a sample to say someone got lucky or unlucky at the wrong time of year
 
BKerr said:
Youre missing the point.

In order to be able to determine if someone is clutch or not you have to have repeated results.

Anyone can have a bad game.

Unless its repeated.. its too small a sample to say someone got lucky or unlucky at the wrong time of year
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I'm missing your point because you are ignoring my point. When your career is short in accomplishment and you didn't have many chances to play important games, those games becomes that more critical and important to you. Those playoffs were a huge moment for him that could have been career defining. This was a golden occasion to redeem a somewhat forgettable professional career, especially for a former 1st overall Heisman trophy winner.

He had an average performance last week, not very convincing and shaky at moments but his team won and he got another chance to shine. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt last week but he failed again, delivering an atrocious performance. Two subpar performances in a playoff season of 3 games is too much. Coupled that to another bad performance in his first playoff game and it's not 3 subpar games in a row. Considering the sport and the amount of playoff games played every year, this is now a big enough sampling to make a label.

There is no way that a "clutch" player delivers 3 sub-par performances in his first 3 playoff games. You can look at Kurt Warner for a counter example of a guy who made the most of the opportunity given to him. First season as a starting QB, gets in the playoffs, wins the SB and the MVP trophy.

The thing with chokers is that their sampling size is always too small because they always get eliminated quickly.

Maybe you think that with a big enough sample every players will have the same percentage of good and bad games. I don't think it's the case at all.
 
GrandWazoo said:
I'm missing your point because you are ignoring my point. When your career is short in accomplishment and you didn't have many chances to play important games, those games becomes that more critical and important to you. Those playoffs were a huge moment for him that could have been career defining. This was a golden occasion to redeem a somewhat forgettable professional career, especially for a former 1st overall Heisman trophy winner.

He had an average performance last week, not very convincing and shaky at moments but his team won and he got another chance to shine. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt last week but he failed again, delivering an atrocious performance. Two subpar performances in a playoff season of 3 games is too much. Coupled that to another bad performance in his first playoff game and it's not 3 subpar games in a row. Considering the sport and the amount of playoff games played every year, this is now a big enough sampling to make a label.

There is no way that a "clutch" player delivers 3 sub-par performances in his first 3 playoff games. You can look at Kurt Warner for a counter example of a guy who made the most of the opportunity given to him. First season as a starting QB, gets in the playoffs, wins the SB and the MVP trophy.

The thing with chokers is that their sampling size is always too small because they always get eliminated quickly.

Maybe you think that with a big enough sample every players will have the same percentage of good and bad games. I don't think it's the case at all.
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