who gets the calls? definitely not the Cowboys, we get weird penalties called against us all the time. With us on tv, we have almost as many watching hoping we lose than hoping we win, the NFL wins either way.
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Wow, you’re way off here. Cowboys, Packers, Steelers and Patriots have the biggest fan bases in the league by quite a margin. All those teams have scheduling preferences.
The Redskins are decent.
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Don’t sleep on the Lions.
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I think someone may have mentioned this here, when discussing ref impact?….anyway, saw it just now and hearing the audio of it really made it hit home, especially given how much they all accept it as fact. Including Iguodala.
…and if you apply their logic to NFL playoffs/seeding. That Mahomes INT call starts to look sketchier and sketchier.
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That is the clip I was referencing earlier. It's an open secret in the NBA and has been for years. Games get managed to produce the outcomes that the league head office wants. And owners don't give a shit if their team gets shafted because they get richer when revenues go up.- YouTube
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I think someone may have mentioned this here, when discussing ref impact?….anyway, saw it just now and hearing the audio of it really made it hit home, especially given how much they all accept/agree it’s fact. Including Iguodala.
…and if you apply their logic to NFL playoffs/seeding. That Mahomes INT call starts to look sketchier and sketchier.
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I knew I’d read it somewhere….but didn’t properly digest it, the way I did once I heard the clip. I’m quick to dismiss things as just complaining, but the full story & the cadence and reality of how it’s all laid out really made it feel like common knowledge amongst the players.
…..and he’s right, it’s entertainment. I’ve been comfortable applying this reasoning to UFC & boxing for over a decade, but sheepish to on the big 4-5…..but it just makes sense, they’d do it too.
Like you say, owners win regardless, and unlike past eras’s it’s not about making as much money as you can with your franchise…..so much as it’s about lifting the value of your franchise (and the borrowing against it, obvs), which occurs most effectively by the league drawing the biggest playoff ratings for ad revenues & the next TV deal.
ugh.
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We no longer have owners who are "one foot on the bench" type fanboys. Today it's corporate guys in suits who may not even know or care about the sport. For them, "winning" is something you do on a balance sheet, not the field, the court, or the ice.
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I don't buy the whole "the games are fixed" stuff.
There's a much more simple, and frankly believable, answer: that games are often dictated based on human (in)competences from referees.
If you want to tell me that the games are rigged, cool. I'll ask you in return to give me the papertrail that leads me to your proof. What a former athlete says on a podcast holds no weight for me.
Montana probably knows this well because we both follow combat sports: Any time there has been fights being fixed, or legitimate claims of fight fixing, the legislators could always find the breadscrumb trail.
The vast, vast majority of times when a fight felt fixed, it actually wasn't. It was just referee or judges being incompetent.
Want to know what a real example of "the games are fixed"? Google James Krause. The NBA ref who got caught for fucking around with the games, Tim Donaghy or whatever his name is, there was a ton of proof against him.
There's a much more simple, and frankly believable, answer: that games are often dictated based on human (in)competences from referees.
If you want to tell me that the games are rigged, cool. I'll ask you in return to give me the papertrail that leads me to your proof. What a former athlete says on a podcast holds no weight for me.
Montana probably knows this well because we both follow combat sports: Any time there has been fights being fixed, or legitimate claims of fight fixing, the legislators could always find the breadscrumb trail.
The vast, vast majority of times when a fight felt fixed, it actually wasn't. It was just referee or judges being incompetent.
Want to know what a real example of "the games are fixed"? Google James Krause. The NBA ref who got caught for fucking around with the games, Tim Donaghy or whatever his name is, there was a ton of proof against him.
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Disgraced former NBA ref blowing his whistle on the league â again
In new Netflix documentary “Operation Flagrant Foul” former NBA ref Tim Donaghy sheds more light on a dark subject
www.deseret.com
Donaghy doesn’t exactly dismiss the idea games are fucked with by all these refs…
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I’m confident hockey isn’t fixed, cause they’d lean into big market teams more come playoff time & stars don’t push numbers like they do in NBA or NFL.
with both those other leagues TV deals tho, and the massive investment owning those franchises have become…..wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
It’s one thing when gaming the system only creates a differences of a few mill per game, but when it’s become something influencing hundreds of millions in value, and/or pushing team values into billions?….that’s another stratosphere of interested parties being heavily invested in very specific outcomes.
with both those other leagues TV deals tho, and the massive investment owning those franchises have become…..wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
It’s one thing when gaming the system only creates a differences of a few mill per game, but when it’s become something influencing hundreds of millions in value, and/or pushing team values into billions?….that’s another stratosphere of interested parties being heavily invested in very specific outcomes.
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The Donaghy Netflix series was excellent
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Yeah but as Donaghy himself said, the league was telling refs which team to favor long before he started working for bookies. It was easy for him to fix games because he was doing what the league wanted. If they wanted a series that was drawing big ratings to go to 7 games, the refs were basically told to make it happen. That's not to say that the game is rigged to the point where you can guarantee a certain outcome, because players aren't in on the fix, but as the guy in the video said, in order for the Sixers to beat the Celtics in game 7, they'd need to win by 15 points just to win by 1 point. In other words, the Sixers would need to dominate the game so fully and completely for 48 minutes and the Celtics would have to play like a plate of day old vomit in order for Philly to eke out a win. Possible sure, but highly unlikely.
Frankly I don't know why anyone would waste their money betting on an NBA game when the results are so clearly and nearly openly being stage managed.
And if the NBA is doing it and its owners are reaping the benefits, you just know that the other sports are doing likewise. MLB might not be yet, but since this is the first time in 3 decades that not one of either the Red Sox, Yankees, Cardinals, or Cubs is in the post-season, that could change pretty quick. I fully expect the ratings for both the playoffs and World Series this year to be among the lowest, if not the lowest-watched in television history. Nobody, least of all MLB, wants a Tampa-Miami World Series. Even people who live in Tampa and Miami would rather watch football. Right now, MLB is rooting hard for either Philly or LA to make it out of the National League.