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I'm an atheist. But I don't think it's as easy as saying hey, all your religious traditions can **** off. I can't imagine that won't have unintended consequences.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
Just so it is clear then, stores will have to be open on Christmas Day, Jews will have to work on jewish holidays like Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah, if it is their scheduled work day on Saturday, tough tit they work etc. No more turbans in govt offices, no more yamulkahs, religious beards are gone etc

Good luck getting a politician to propose that, there are easier and more pleasurable ways to commit political suicide.
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Glad to you cleared that up - I didn't mean burkas. I meant full face veils.

Religious holidays can and should still be observed across the board.
 
hockeylover said:
I'm an atheist. But I don't think it's as easy as saying hey, all your religious traditions can **** off. I can't imagine that won't have unintended consequences.
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Sure it is.

Make sure when people are coming, or planning on coming to your nation that they know what we expect. Secularism.
 
corksens said:
Glad to you cleared that up - I didn't mean burkas. I meant full face veils.

Religious holidays can and should still be observed across the board.
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Burkas cover the entire face
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Niqab covers the face too.

You might have meant a hijab.

Why should we observe religious holidays, isn't that accommodating?
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
Burkas cover the entire face
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Niqab covers the face too.

You might have meant a hijab.

Why should we observe religious holidays, isn't that accommodating?
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Sure - but everyone getting the occasional day off isn't going to do anything.

You're focusing on one point. I mentioned other, more serious, accommodations.
 
Tripping over myself?

No. I take a couple hundred calls a day from people with vastly different backgrounds and religious beliefs and simply don't think banning all people of one religion is a solution to any of this. You do. It's not like we're going to change each other's minds here.
 
It's not a forever solution - it's a today solution until a more broad plan can be arranged.

Because clearly what they are doing in France and England, and Sweden isn't ****ing working.
 
corksens said:
Sure - but everyone getting the occasional day off isn't going to do anything.

You're focusing on one point. I mentioned other, more serious, accommodations.
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Once you start accommodating for anything, it can't be stopped.

Sikhs don't have to wear helmets when they bicycle or ride a motorcycle. The claim was they cannot put something over their turban. Yet I see boys with hockey helmets, baseball hats, construction hats over all the time.

You cannot accommodate for one thing and not another.

If you want that to occur, then I suggest you run for office and once you win a seat, bring forth that proposal because I am pretty certain no politician will do it.
 
The biggest problem is that we simply don't know what we're fighting against, or how to stop it. We don't know much about this latest attack, but sounds like the bomber was born in Manchester. So just stopping immigration from various Muslim nations won't really solve anything, unless if we could have stopped immigration from those nations 25-30 years ago before we even cared about this stuff.

But the issues are that the current round of terror attacks aren't like 9/11. Those ones were done by people from foreign nations who set up in the west and carried out attacks. The majority of terror attacks nowadays are people who are locals, but who radicalize somehow. So to combat it, we have to figure out why the hell people get radicalized, and then figure out how to stop that. And that's a much deeper problem, since those individuals are much harder to track. You can't just have the NSA wiretap every internet connection and anytime someone googles "ISIS" it turns up a red flag.
 
This is just the new normal people. Really, nothing to see here anymore.

No way to stop these attacks without a dramatic crackdown on certain minorities which will never happen or a massive crackdown on civil liberties/civil rights, which will never happen, or a massive security operation like what france is going through, but ever more extreme, which is unaffordable and thus will never happen.

So...get used to it.
 
I was just in Stockholm. Went everywhere in that city. Never felt threatened at all. There wasn't a noticeable police presence. Their bad areas are equivalent to Jane and Finch, basically, you probably shouldnt be there late at night, on your own, but not dangerous in comparison with a lot of major US cities.

The idea that cities like Stockholm are unsafe is completely ridiculous.

It sucks that these type of acts occur, but they are isolated and aren't a reflection of how safe/liveable a city is.
 
UWHabs said:
The biggest problem is that we simply don't know what we're fighting against, or how to stop it. We don't know much about this latest attack, but sounds like the bomber was born in Manchester. So just stopping immigration from various Muslim nations won't really solve anything, unless if we could have stopped immigration from those nations 25-30 years ago before we even cared about this stuff.

But the issues are that the current round of terror attacks aren't like 9/11. Those ones were done by people from foreign nations who set up in the west and carried out attacks. The majority of terror attacks nowadays are people who are locals, but who radicalize somehow. So to combat it, we have to figure out why the hell people get radicalized, and then figure out how to stop that. And that's a much deeper problem, since those individuals are much harder to track. You can't just have the NSA wiretap every internet connection and anytime someone googles "ISIS" it turns up a red flag.
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Good post, IMO.
 
JohnnyHolmes said:
Yeah it's weird I keep getting proven wrong about this. Keep turning the other cheek. It's working really well.

Another win for tolerance!
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If you were right about this, there would be a dozen of these incidents a day in every western nation. That's what a war is Johnny.
 
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