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OT: The News Thread

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I see your point.

I guess the problem is that technically, both are correct usages of the word. One is just an understated use of the word.

Intellectually, 'violence' is probably the most neglected subject out there. It is poorly understood and that's reflected in the common usage of the term. It is used so broadly as to be nearly meaningless.

It also reflects a high level of irrationality, as some people respond viscerally to destruction of property while at the same time being more or less insensitive to destruction meted out against their fellow humans and other life forms.
 
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Intellectually, 'violence' is probably the most neglected subject out there. It is poorly understood and that's reflected in the common usage of the term. It is used so broadly as to be nearly meaningless.

It also reflects a high level of irrationality, as some people respond viscerally to destruction of property while at the same time being more or less insensitive to destruction meted out against their fellow humans and other life forms.


Even though I disagree with your point of view, I understand what you are saying.

I think it is because, here in Canada, violence against people is usually on a one-to-one basis. Violence against property is usually done by large groups of people.

A large mass of violent protesters damaging stores and bank will generally not hurt anyone besides the police. It is not like there are mobs of enraged protesters attacking the Olympic athletes, or common citizens of Vancouver.

When a group of people damage property(Vancouver, Seattle, Montreal) in gets lots of news.

When a woman is raped, a dog is beaten or a senior is killed, its just another minor news item. Unless it is something out of the ordinary like the Russ Williams case.

I also think that this effect is magnified by the twitter, facebook and you tube factor, as well.

Even though I really don't agree with most anti-capitalist and anti-globalization movements, I can see how some might consider them to be real threats to a socialist society. But I can't understand how something as warm and fuzzy as the Olympics gets such a burr under these protesters saddles.
 
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i'm suspecting leafer is either one of those hooded a$$holes, or WOULD be one of those hooded a$$holes if he was in vancouver. he is making the same stupid distinction of the word "violence" as the idiot ringleader of this sham made, and he also seemed to be pretty pleased that the "bourgeoisie" aka HBC was targeted.

so now the record of extreme left-wingers on this forum is to be on the side of:

-osama bin laden and islamic terrorists, and now
-hooded wastes of skin that trash vancouver to try to disrupt our olympics and embarrass our country

bravo.
 
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I don't agree with his being cool with the target, however, he makes a damn valid point about the word "violence".

It's hard to logically explain why the same word is used to describe a garbage can through a window, a punch in the face, or a daisy cutter dropped on a city block.
 
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I wouldn't use violence to describe what the protestors did. I would use the term desctruction of public/private property.
 
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webster's definition of violence:

a use of physical force so as to damage or injure...an abusive use of force...passion, fury..to offend, to outrage

by all of those definitions of "violence", those dirtbags are guilty of using it.
 
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webster's definition of violence:

a use of physical force so as to damage or injure...an abusive use of force...passion, fury..to offend, to outrage

by all of those definitions of "violence", those dirtbags are guilty of using it.

and what word would you use to describe the other two acts I listed?
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/nyregion/14fed.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Narrowly construed, the suit, filed in November 2008, seeks the release under FOIA of documents called term reports. Those reports contain information about the hundreds of billions of dollars the Federal Reserve lent to banks at the height of the crisis — first through its discount window and then through an acronymic soup of emergency programs with arcane-sounding names like the Primary Dealer Credit Facility and the Term Securities Lending Facility.

While the Fed does customarily release data in the aggregate about its lending — the bank bailout is about $2 trillion, all told — it has always shielded information about specific loans to specific institutions. If released, the documents in this lawsuit would punch directly through that shield: Who got money from the Fed? How much did they get? In exchange for what collateral? And under what terms?

That, said Charles Geisst, a finance professor at Manhattan College, would represent an unparalleled move toward openness. “It would mean that the transparency we now demand from our corporations, for example, would spread up all the way to the Fed,” he said.

In its own briefs, the Fed has argued that such disclosures could “stigmatize” financial institutions by suggesting they were desperately in need of government money and, therefore, weak. In its doomsday scenario, the Fed has worried that these weak banks could be subject to 1930s-style bank runs and that, in the future, even strong banks that were considering taking money might instead retreat in trepidation, preventing the Fed from practicing the already delicate art of monetary policy.

The Fed’s worries grew last summer when the chief federal district judge in Manhattan ruled in favor of Bloomberg News, setting up a showdown last month in the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. This appellate battle — which includes a similar suit by Fox News that lost in the district court — has quickly become the New York front in a bitter, two-pronged war against the Fed. (In Washington, legislation is pending to force the central bank to undergo an audit.) Indeed, as the lawsuit moved to its next round, its context was expanded by way of interventions and supporting briefs.

I find the Fed's counter arguments ridiculous. The FDIC insures all bank deposits up to 250K to help protect about just that, and on top of that, it's fairly well known that if a major bank run was threatening to occur, that bank would lock the doors and call the police.

and weak banks should be "stigmatized"....how can refusing to release public information on the banks be anything but defrauding investors in that bank should the bank go under despite the best efforts of the Fed?

Big kudos to Bloomberg for fighting this fight...this may be the last chance Americans have to pull back the veil of secrecy on their banking institutions. If Bloomberg is somehow beaten back here, it's the official end of even the pretense of freedom of information in the U.S

The idea that public information is too dangerous to give to the public absolutely shits on the intentions of the framers.
 
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/s...120&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twitterfeed
The debate on genetically modified (GM) brinjal variety continues to generate heat. Former managing director of Monsanto India, Tiruvadi Jagadisan, is the latest to join the critics of Bt brinjal, perhaps the first industry insider to do so.

Jagadisan, who worked with Monsanto for nearly two decades, including eight years as the managing director of India operations, spoke against the new variety during the public consultation held in Bangalore on Saturday.

On Monday, he elaborated by saying the company "used to fake scientific data" submitted to government regulatory agencies to get commercial approvals for its products in India.

The former Monsanto boss said government regulatory agencies with which the company used to deal with in the 1980s simply depended on data supplied by the company while giving approvals to herbicides.

"The Central Insecticide Board was supposed to give these approvals based on the location and crop-specific data from India. But it simply accepted foreign data supplied by Monsanto. They did not even have a test tube to validate the data and, at times, the data itself was faked," Jagadisan said.

"I retired from the company as I felt the management of Monsanto, USA, was exploiting our country," Jagadisan, 84, said from his home in Bangalore.
 
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a garbage can through a window, a punch in the face, or a daisy cutter dropped on a city block.

all three are "violence" according to the definition i gave you. they are certainly different degrees of violence, but they are all violence.

and BTW- it wasn't just property that was damaged. i have read a couple of news stories now that say these a$$holes harassed and/or harmed passers-by.
 
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Not sure how to look at this one....

Is this "soft on terror" Obama with a major terror victory? Or is this another in a long, hilarious line of terror group #2's to get caught or killed...?

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35417...al_asia/?ns=world_news-south_and_central_asia

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The Taliban's top military commander has been arrested in a joint CIA-Pakistani operation in Pakistan, officials said Tuesday.

Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the No. 2 behind Afghan Taliban founder Mullah Mohammad Omar and a close associate of Osama bin Laden, was captured in the southern Pakistani port city of Karachi, two Pakistani intelligence officers and a senior U.S. official said. They spoke on condition of anonymity.
 
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Hamas military leader assassinated in Dubai by what appears to be Irish nationals....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Irish-citizens-not-involved-Ireland-says.html

The Irish government says the trio of alleged passport-holders identified on Monday in Dubai as Gail Folliard, Evan Dennings and Kevin Daveron do not appear in Ireland's records of legitimate passport-holders.

"We are unable to identify any of those three individuals as being genuine Irish citizens. Ireland has issued no passports in those names," the department said in a statement to The Associated Press. The Irish government says the passport numbers publicised by Dubai authorities also are counterfeits, because they have the wrong number of digits and contain no letters.

Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior figure in the military wing of Hamas, was found dead in a hotel room on Jan 20. According to one report he was killed by a female assassin who entered his room by posing as a member of hotel staff, injected him with a drug that induced a heart attack and hung a “Do Not Disturb” sign on the door.

But other officers said he was strangled, probably after receiving an electric shock.

They may disagree on the details, but either method seems to suggest professionals. Definitely a for hire job.
 
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Fantastic news. Now they need to take out Omar and get bin Laden...

I have a hard time believing that Bin Laden is alive. He's had serious kidney problems for over a decade now, and needs access to a dialysis machine fairly regularly. I have a hard time believing that the guy could play Carmen San Diego for so long without ending up somewhere with modern medical equipment.
 
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So you think that they've simply hidden news of his death and have hired a look-alike? It's definitely possible, I'm just wondering what you think.
 
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Beck completely stonewalled by British audiences and sponsors....

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/16/beck-uk/

Today, Color of Change and StopBeck.com announced that the United Kingdom has forcefully rejected Fox News host Glenn Beck. In fact, the UK broadcast of his show “was forced to run without any advertisements” for five days in a row as of yesterday. Additionally, 103 companies have agreed to stop their ads from appearing on his program. Some of the latest defections include Allstate Insurance, Anheuser-Busch, Idaho Potato Commission, Marriott International, Volkswagen, and Western Union. Some of their comments:

– “We in no way want to promote the hateful rhetoric of Mr. Glenn Beck, and therefore take this matter very seriously,” said Dino Balzano, director of advertising at Concord Music Group, parent company of Hear Music, in an email to ColorOfChange.org.

– “We do not intend to have any additional ad placements during the program,” said Jeff Flaherty, spokesperson for Marriott International, in an email to ColorOfChange.org. “I’d like to point out that diversity and inclusion are core values at Marriott and an essential component of our success.”

– “I first learned about this controversy [in November] and asked Fox to take his show out of our rotation,” said Steve Schwartz, executive vice president of consumer services for Intersections, Inc., in an email to ColorOfChange.org. “We no longer advertise on Glenn Beck’s show.”
 
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