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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Young, but not necessarily wanting to keep

C Porter (24, 9'2sr)
F Barnes (22, 9'0sr)
F Barrett (23, 8'7sr)
G Trent (24, 8'2sr)
G Quickley (24, 8'3sr)

C Koloko (23, 9'5sr)
F McDaniels (25, 8'10sr)
F Nwora (25, 8'8sr)
G Dick (20, 8'5sr)
G Lewis (22, 8'3sr)


Definitely trade

C Poeltl (28, 9'4sr)
F Boucher (31, 9'3sr)
F Porter (30, 8'10sr)
G Brown (27, 8'3sr)
G Schroder (30, 8'2sr)

F Young (35, 8'10sr)
G Temple (37, ??sr)
 
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LeafOfFaith said:
I thought you just said you don't necessarily want to keep him (in that list)?
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i meant even though those guys are all young it doesn't mean they're all keepers.

for me, Scottie and Quickley are the only two must-keeps. RJ is starting to convince me too but we'll see there.

I dunno that Scottie/Quickley/RJ will be enough to entice Scottie to stick around tho.
 
Interestingly, ESPN gave the Pacers a B-, Raps A-, and Pelicans an A.

NBA trade grades: Breaking down the Pacers three-team trade for Pascal Siakam


Toronto Raptors: A-

This trade is an interesting complement to the one the Raptors made with the New York Knicks for OG Anunoby in late December. After coming away with no first-round picks in that deal, centered primarily around young contributors RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley, Toronto took the opposite approach here.

Before dealing Siakam, the Raptors might have wanted to explore whether adding an explosive scorer in the backcourt and improving their depth could turn this into a dangerous playoff team. Toronto's 3-1 start after that trade gave hope to that notion, but the Raptors have subsequently lost four consecutive games to drop 1.5 games back of the last play-in spot.

If this season was no longer worth salvaging, Toronto needed to get value for Siakam before he hit unrestricted free agency, and this deal provides it. The Raptors have gone from being out one first-round pick net (this year's, top-six protected to the San Antonio Spurs to complete last year's ill-fated deal for Jakob Poeltl) to plus-two.

The bad news is none of the picks Toronto got will likely have as much upside as the one it could send San Antonio this year. Both of this year's first-rounders will likely be outside the lottery, and Indiana should be a playoff team in 2026 provided Siakam re-signs this summer. Still, the Raptors can use more cost-controlled rookie contracts to complement a core of Barrett, Quickley -- due a new deal this offseason as a restricted free agent -- and Barnes, who will become extension-eligible July 1.

Additionally, moving Siakam for expiring contracts gives Toronto some flexibility this offseason. Nwora and Siakam are both in the final season of their deals, and the creative contract the Pacers gave Brown has a $23 million team option for 2024-25. The Raptors can now exercise that option and keep Brown on an expiring contract or decline it and create about $25 million in cap space while retaining Quickley's small cap hold.

Given Toronto's options to add talent, I like the return for Anunoby much better when paired with this one. Together, they've yielded the Raptors two young contributors, three first-round picks and another just outside this year's first round.

This is the end of an era for Toronto. Siakam was the last remaining link to the rotation that won the Raptors' first NBA title. (Reserve Chris Boucher was on the 2019 team as well, but he saw just four minutes of action in the playoffs.) However, if Toronto can use the first-round picks acquired in this trade as well as by drafting Siakam at No. 27 in 2016, trading him could help produce a new era of Raptors success.
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The Athletic has the grades reversed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
zeke said:
i meant even though those guys are all young it doesn't mean they're all keepers.

for me, Scottie and Quickley are the only two must-keeps. RJ is starting to convince me too but we'll see there.

I dunno that Scottie/Quickley/RJ will be enough to entice Scottie to stick around tho.
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I can't imagine they dumped Siakam, who for sure would've extended, if they didn't plan to immediately add some serious talent to that core.
 
zeke said:
I mean i don't hate Poeltl or Schroder but i think we all agree we should be trading them now that we've blown it up, no?
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In the off season if they're offered enough, sure.

I kind of disagree that trading Pascal is blowing it up tbh. I think you over rate his positive impact.
 
F Barnes (22)
F Barrett (23)
G Trent (24)
G Quickley (24)

Thing about picks in this year's draft is that they can be used as trade assets, or to add young guys to this young core. People are undervaluing them in this discussion, and I think Masai's drafting team has earned the benefit of the doubt.

I left Trent in there cause I had no idea he was this young, even though he sucks this year. At times he does look like he could be a decent part of a rotation when he's on his game.
 
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