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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Wayward DP said:
man, that hit some feels. the guy clearly fucking loves Toronto. too bad that it makes sense to move on from him cause he's a real homegrown success story.
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Love the dude, but yeah it's a business. Because on the business side, we can't justify the contract he wants. If he's going to be the 30-40th best player in the league and take the 30th-40th biggest contract (32-33m) in the league, let's talk. But his camp wants max money (45-50m) and he's just not worth that to us.
 
For comparison, the players making 45M this year:

Damian Lillard, Kawhi, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Giannis.

Bradley Beal is making 46 million and it's one of the worst contracts in the league. Pascal wouldn't be far off of that imo.
 
MindzEye said:
For comparison, the players making 45M this year:

Damian Lillard, Kawhi, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Giannis.

Bradley Beal is making 46 million and it's one of the worst contracts in the league. Pascal wouldn't be far off of that imo.
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Pascals a better player than Beal but like Beal he’s good enough to get paid but not good enough to be the guy whose getting paid.
 
Leafin' said:
We could use more guys like Bruce Brown. I like his game.
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That's what I'm reasonably hoping we lean into during the off season with that cap space. Guys on 2-3 year deals who shoot and defend. I'm good with building the offence around Scottie-Quickley-RJ and spacing/shooting next season. I think that can be a top 7-10 offence, but they've gotta sort the D out.
 
MindzEye said:
Love the dude, but yeah it's a business. Because on the business side, we can't justify the contract he wants. If he's going to be the 30-40th best player in the league and take the 30th-40th biggest contract (32-33m) in the league, let's talk. But his camp wants max money (45-50m) and he's just not worth that to us.
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yeah I agree he's not worth a max. is what it is. and yeah, it is a business.
 
Good

Though Trent is the only one I want to see moved for whatever. Anyone else I want real value for. Dennis is good and very good value. Brown is good and okay value. I'd be happy to keep both for next season.
 
MindzEye said:
Good

Though Trent is the only one I want to see moved for whatever. Anyone else I want real value for. Dennis is good and very good value. Brown is good and okay value. I'd be happy to keep both for next season.
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Depending on what if any look they want at Lewis, that could factor into moving Dennis also the aid in keeping our pick
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Depending on what if any look they want at Lewis, that could factor into moving Dennis also the aid in keeping our pick
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Yeah could, though I'd want Lewis to spend the rest of the season in the G League personally.

Fwiw, on Dennis and Brown I'd be looking for a young rotation player and a 1st back if I'm dealing them this year. Just taking a quick peak around at "contenders", I'd be looking for something like this:

Brown to OKC for Isaiah Joe, 2025 1st, Bertans for salary

Similar for Dennis tbh. Young rotation player with rotation upside + pick (Naz Reid + 2nd, etc) , or straight for a kid with starter upside that can shoot. (Jordan Hawkins from NOP)
 
MindzEye said:
Yeah could, though I'd want Lewis to spend the rest of the season in the G League personally.

Fwiw, on Dennis and Brown I'd be looking for a young rotation player and a 1st back if I'm dealing them this year. Just taking a quick peak around at "contenders", I'd be looking for something like this:

Brown to OKC for Isaiah Joe, 2025 1st, Bertans for salary

Similar for Dennis tbh. Young rotation player with rotation upside + pick (Naz Reid + 2nd, etc) , or straight for a kid with starter upside that can shoot. (Jordan Hawkins from NOP)
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i think you might be optimistic, but ive been wrong before, if not always
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
i think you might be optimistic, but ive been wrong before, if not always
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We've got them under contract next season and would get an easy 1st at next year's deadline for either. If someone wants them, fine, but they're both good players with piles of playoff experience, there's zero reason to move either for the same price today as they would get a year from now. Fuck that.

Want them for 2 playoff runs, great, pay me.

The fate of our 1st this season should make no difference to the approach to asset management. If we keep the pick and it's 6th overall, fine. If SAS gets the 7th, whatever. Doesn't matter. But if we trade Dennis and Bruce both signed through next season, both desirable veteran rotation players for teams with championship aspirations, fuck you, pay me.
 
Fwiw, here's some similar type deals from last deadline:

GSW gets: GP2
Portland gets: Kevin Knox, 5 2nd round picks

Clippers get: Mason Plumlee
Charlotte gets: Jackson, 2nd

NOP gets: Josh Richardson
SAS gets: D Graham, 4 2nd's

Clippers get: Bones Hyland
Denver gets: 2 2nds

Knicks get: Josh Hart
Portland gets: Cam Reddish, 1st

The Josh Hart trade is the most similar imo, especially to Brown (Brown is better than Hart though imo) and Hart was a pending free agent (though was considered an easy re sign for the Knicks).

Dennis v Bones Hyland is a good comparison as well. Hyland was an okay looking backup PG at the time of the trade, but young and promisingish. Dennis a veteran fringey starter level PG. Worth a fair bit more at the deadline imo and Bones got 2 2nds.
 
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