OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread
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Pwner
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MindzEye
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The most win now move possible for them. They definitely get better, a motivated and healthy Jimmy is probably a top 15ish player still so if you can catch lightning in a bottle with him and Steph both healthy and on heaters together in the playoffs, anything is possible I guess. I don't see it, but it's possible.
My question with them going forward is whether they're going to have the financial flexibility to put enough depth around the two. Especially with what they're going to have to pay Kuminga this summer. Fwiw, I think they're going to extend him and then trade him. Trading for Jimmy imo means that you're fully committing to try to win another chip with Steph, stop trying to straddle both sides of the fence. Kuminga isn't worth the 30+ million to a contender that they're going to have to invest to keep him and develop him. Sign him and trade him to a program looking to go in the opposite direction of a young retool (Atlanta, Sacto, Denver, Phoenix, Utah) for ~35 million in prime or veteran aged role players and draft equity.
Basically you can't carry 120 million dollars of Steph + Jimmy while spending real money on developing the future. If you're pot committed, be pot committed.
MindzEye
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I mean...this is kind of a weird, misleading thing to say.
Thad...sure.
But Kelly was packaged with Okai. So we traded the 29th overall for Okai....yeah, I'm fine with that. The pick for Jake ended up higher than we wanted to give up, but he signed long term and would net an easy mid round first plus useful salary piece if we traded him this summer and as I showed earlier, you're rocking at about a ~3% chance to get a player better than BI with where that Pacers pick is going to be next year.
Thad was the only bad bit of asset management imo, and we did get a high 2nd as part of the deal. If Koloko didn't get fucked by the rona, I don't think we would care so much.
MindzEye
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BI likes to work in the mid range, so I see the potential for spacing issues, but he's also an above average 3 point shooter from above the break and a good cutter. So working off the ball with Scottie in a 2 man game has a lot of potential, but also as the distributer in a 2 man PR with Scottie.
There's a lot of ways Ingram could provide fusion for this group. We need a guy who can get his shot whenever he wants, and that he's a really good playmaker should create more ball movement and better spacing, not the opposite imo.
mbow30
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It might not work. But his ability to get off shots, play off the dribble and being a good enough 3 threat that you got to get high on him should open up the 2 man and PR with Scottie, like you said.
It all comes down to scottie. Has he not taken the next step because he’s not good enough or because he’s been miscast?
zeke
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Draft Slot
Poeltl (29) #9
Barnes (23) #4
Ingram (27) #2
Barrett (24) #3
Quickley (25) #25
Dick (21) #13
Agbaji (24) #14
Walter (20) #19
Mogbo (23) #31
Shead (22) #45
Chomche (19) #57
Battle (23) n/a
Robinson (24) n/a
Traded away:
Mitchell (26) #9
Olynyk (33) #13
Anunoby (27) #23
Siakam (30) #27
Brown (28) #42
VanVleet (30) n/a
Boucher (31) ? n/a
Poeltl (29) #9
Barnes (23) #4
Ingram (27) #2
Barrett (24) #3
Quickley (25) #25
Dick (21) #13
Agbaji (24) #14
Walter (20) #19
Mogbo (23) #31
Shead (22) #45
Chomche (19) #57
Battle (23) n/a
Robinson (24) n/a
Traded away:
Mitchell (26) #9
Olynyk (33) #13
Anunoby (27) #23
Siakam (30) #27
Brown (28) #42
VanVleet (30) n/a
Boucher (31) ? n/a
zeke
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MindzEye
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Scottie is a natural point forward, and we're playing him like a modern distributor/shot creator. We kind of play him like Milwaukee plays Giannis, but Scottie doesn't have that otherwordly downhill ability Giannis has once he gets his shoulders turned to the rim on the dribble drive. Scottie's scoring imo is going to mostly come from the mid range inward, and the spot up corner 3 in space. I really want to see us get him away from ball handling above the 3 point line. He's going to get heavier and more man strong over the next few years and he's already a fucking animal within 16 feet.
Big, big improvements from 10-16 ft and he's very good around the rim already. If he can add a little in between floater or something to help improve that 3-10 foot efficiency he can easily be an efficient 20+ppg scorer. He's shot 37% from the corner 3 in the past as well, I'll fucking take that.
MindzEye
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For comparison, here's noted super elite mid range sniper Kawhi Leonard's shooting distance breakdown
and the year we're most interested in, our title year
Scottie is shooting more efficiently than Kawhi from 10-16, and from 0-3 ft. Like I said, find that 3-10 ft weapon and we've got a Kawhi lite.
and the year we're most interested in, our title year
Scottie is shooting more efficiently than Kawhi from 10-16, and from 0-3 ft. Like I said, find that 3-10 ft weapon and we've got a Kawhi lite.
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zeke
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MindzEye
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That's a great buy low trade for Charlotte. It's similar to our old Thad trade, but if it was for Poeltl instead of Thad....and we got the 1st instead of gave it up.
I don't think much of Cody Martin either.
zeke
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MindzEye
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Cleveland might have fucked up there...this is the first time in his career that Hunter hasn't been bad, and it's because Atlanta has relegated him to a bench scorer/can crusher role. He makes a lot of money to be a good but just good bench scorer.
Lavert is basically the same guy, and is expiring. Niang is semi washed but still a good back of the rotation body and is pretty much the ultimate teammate apparently. Everyone who has ever played with him loves the shit out of him. There are worse guys to have around for a title push.
Pwner
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MindzEye
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That's wild considering the fact that the Clippers have spent 2-3 years basically shutting down Mann as the ask in return on everyone they've inquired about. Bogdan is getting a bit long in the tooth, and is signed for a few more years....yeah, I'd have just kept Mann and Bones tbh. Atlanta did well here getting two useful rotation players for Bogdan, who has looked pretty washed this year.