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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Here's the problem with the "Shapiro was hired before the Jays got good" line of thought.

The Jays were a top 5 team in baseball the entire season, it just didn't show up in the W/L column for a while. All of the leading indicators that you can use the determine the quality of a team, the Jays were strong in. The W/L had already started to correct itself as well. Shapiro was hired on August 31, the Jays were 24-5 in the previous month. The Jays were 74-56 when Shapiro was hired, which is paced out as a 92-70 record.

So if the people at Rogers were looking at the club thinking that it wasn't very good, they're part of the ****ing problem. Medicore W/L driven by luck had already corrected itself.
 
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they were just upset that AA's expensive moves hadn't resulted in wins or more importantly crowds yet.
 
Just my guess, but I think it was about money and not performance. Beeston had too much clout in the organization and city. He was promised a big payroll boost when the team started winning and fans started showing up, plus hundreds of mill for Rogers center upgrades, grass etc. and made it all very public to hold rogers accountable.

And when they went behind his back to replace him they turned off every top candidate out there. Leaving them with the only senior guy in the league willing to take the job under those circumstances.
 
What's pretty annoying is that the Montoya will be told by Atkins to give Drury, Fisher, McKinney, Teosocer and Grichuk all ample playing time.

Add in Galvis and Smoak, that likely means that Vlad gets sat more and more down the stretch.
 
CaptainBolduke said:
What's pretty annoying is that the Montoya will be told by Atkins to give Drury, Fisher, McKinney, Teosocer and Grichuk all ample playing time.

Add in Galvis and Smoak, that likely means that Vlad gets sat more and more down the stretch.
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Drury and McKinney should ride pine unless 1B opens up
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I think Smoak gets DFA esp if a contender loses a bat
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That's where it's kind of annoying to not have August trade waivers anymore. Yeah, it was unfair for teams to deal for Verlander on August 31, but we miss the chance to unload guys like Smoak down the road.
 
CaptainBolduke said:
What's pretty annoying is that the Montoya will be told by Atkins to give Drury, Fisher, McKinney, Teosocer and Grichuk all ample playing time.

Add in Galvis and Smoak, that likely means that Vlad gets sat more and more down the stretch.
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It should be Vlad, Bo, Cavan, and Lourdes playing every game, and then we rotate through everyone else in the other 4 open spots in the lineup.
 
UWHabs said:
That's where it's kind of annoying to not have August trade waivers anymore. Yeah, it was unfair for teams to deal for Verlander on August 31, but we miss the chance to unload guys like Smoak down the road.
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I assume if anyone offered anything he was gone
 
Yea I don't think Smoak was worth much if anything. At the very least we have a competent defensive 1B that our young infield can throw the ball to. I would've prefered Tellez get a shot but whatever.
 
UWHabs said:
That's where it's kind of annoying to not have August trade waivers anymore. Yeah, it was unfair for teams to deal for Verlander on August 31, but we miss the chance to unload guys like Smoak down the road.
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The changed it to a hard deadline?? I didn’t hear about that.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Pretty sure this management group will be long gone before the kids’ clocks run out.
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The next GM will probably take over a 70-something win team with Guerrero, Bichette and Biggio all a couple of years from FA.

Good management could build that into a long-term contender. Bad management will sell them at a discount and repeat the Atkins cycle.
 
Owner has to want to win and provide the resources to do so. For as bad as shatkins has been rogers owns this mess and has sat by encouraging it.
 
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