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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

CaptainBolduke said:
Blocked by 5 players? Don't try to spin this. Houston somehow got the best OF prospect in this deal.

Embrace the hate. It's almost 5 years now.
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What are you going on about now? He's blocked in Houston's OF, even a much better prospect in Kyle Tucker is blocked in Houston, and even a much BETTER prospect in Yordan Alvarez was blocked in Houston until a few weeks ago.

Great teams don't have a lot of roster space for rookies, film at 11.
 
CaptainBolduke said:
lol
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Well, technically he is blocked but he’s only blocked because he isn’t good enough.

It was the same with Teoscar.

And Drury and McKinney in NY.

These are the guys they target at the deadline with their tradeable assets. It’s baffling.

Also just baffling that they had to throw in a prospect to get the deal done. Stevenson is not worth a lot at this point, but to me he is the kind of guy you keep precisely for that reason. Some real potential, next to no trade value.
 
It’s weird because they have some potential superstar kids coming in, and are blowing assets on fluff instead of more high end prospects. It’s incomprehensible.
 
"42 years of control" is one of the oddest arguments I have ever heard a GM make. Are they any good? LOL. Talk about overrating years of control. Such a small market mantality they have.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Saw the Atkins interview. I guess he sees Fisher as our starting CF.
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If they are gonna trade 3 players for this guy, for their own sake they have to give him a shot.

It's the same reason Drury has the 5th most at bats on the team. They make a bed and will die in it trying to prove they are right despite the results.
 
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CaptainBolduke said:
If they are gonna trade 3 players for this guy, for their own sake they have to gve him a shot.

It's the same reason Drury has the 5th most at bats on the team. They make a bed and will die in it trying to prove they are right dispite the results.
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What really pisses me off most about the Fisher move is that since he's out of options next year, he's the guy you can grab off the scrap heap in the winter for really cheap. Like, you could have easily swapped a guy like Biagini for him in the off-season, so why we had to give up so much for him right now boggles the mind. Or like, if you really want him, the prospect we gave up alone should have been enough.

I'm not saying we gave up guys with a ton of value, but to me it's just such horrible management of assets. Stroman deal - I can understand. SWR has some intriguing potential, and Kay is close to the bigs, so even if he only turns into a decent #4 guy, that has some value already. Sure, would have been nice to get a legit top-100 prospect back, but it's not the end of the world.

And for Phelps/Hudson, they're fluky relievers, so I don't even know the talent level of the guys we got, but virtually any lottery ticket is fine.

But like, Biagini and Sanchez are totally guys we could have kept. Even though Sanchez is a Boras client, I would totally go to him in the off-season and just lay out the facts - he's struggled heavily in the rotation, but he has a super live arm when healthy, and if he went to the bullpen for a year and dominated there, he's going to get a better contract that way than as a middling starter. You could try to be nice and find a team who'll try him in the rotation in the off-season, and the fact is, the return you're getting for him them is probably again going to be someone like Fisher - a reclamation project who needs a change of scenery.

Biagini is a lot of the same way. We tried him as a starter before, he failed. He's been fine as a reliever this year, and honestly, he would have been a good guy to keep around for another year just to have one bullpen arm you can more or less trust. And if you get lucky, he has another year that looks like his rookie season, and you can still deal him at the deadline for something.

So basically, I see it as any one of the 3 guys we gave the Astros are legit players who could have gotten back a guy like Fisher in return. So why we had to give all of them up, it just doesn't make sense.
 
JackBurton said:
Eh, that's what Rogers wanted.

Baseball's 3rd biggest market is being run like it's Kansas City
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See -- I'm not convinced that this is what they wanted. Or at least, expected. They probably wanted to reign it in somewhat, but this has gone to a whole new level.

Shatkins might just really really really suck at their jobs.
 
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UWHabs said:
What really pisses me off most about the Fisher move is that since he's out of options next year, he's the guy you can grab off the scrap heap in the winter for really cheap. Like, you could have easily swapped a guy like Biagini for him in the off-season, so why we had to give up so much for him right now boggles the mind. Or like, if you really want him, the prospect we gave up alone should have been enough.

I'm not saying we gave up guys with a ton of value, but to me it's just such horrible management of assets. Stroman deal - I can understand. SWR has some intriguing potential, and Kay is close to the bigs, so even if he only turns into a decent #4 guy, that has some value already. Sure, would have been nice to get a legit top-100 prospect back, but it's not the end of the world.

And for Phelps/Hudson, they're fluky relievers, so I don't even know the talent level of the guys we got, but virtually any lottery ticket is fine.

But like, Biagini and Sanchez are totally guys we could have kept. Even though Sanchez is a Boras client, I would totally go to him in the off-season and just lay out the facts - he's struggled heavily in the rotation, but he has a super live arm when healthy, and if he went to the bullpen for a year and dominated there, he's going to get a better contract that way than as a middling starter. You could try to be nice and find a team who'll try him in the rotation in the off-season, and the fact is, the return you're getting for him them is probably again going to be someone like Fisher - a reclamation project who needs a change of scenery.

Biagini is a lot of the same way. We tried him as a starter before, he failed. He's been fine as a reliever this year, and honestly, he would have been a good guy to keep around for another year just to have one bullpen arm you can more or less trust. And if you get lucky, he has another year that looks like his rookie season, and you can still deal him at the deadline for something.

So basically, I see it as any one of the 3 guys we gave the Astros are legit players who could have gotten back a guy like Fisher in return. So why we had to give all of them up, it just doesn't make sense.
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we gave away a recent AL era champion who still has a year of control. for no apparent reason. just mind bogglingly incompetent asset management.
 
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