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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Pillar? C'mon man.

I don't believe teams were offering much for Happ. Donaldson was hurt, though you can complain about the timing.
 
axlsalinger said:
Pillar? C'mon man.

I don't believe teams were offering much for Happ. Donaldson was hurt, though you can complain about the timing.
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End of 2016 Pillar was sill a 2-3 win cheap CF. I challenge they could have done better than Law and Hansen if they actef ever and i disagree on Happ i think they sought out those sorts
 
I wonder how much cross-over there is between Blue Jays fans who ardently defend Shatkins even now, and Leaf fans who thought JFJ was doing a great job back in the day.
 
axlsalinger said:
Pillar? C'mon man.
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What was the point of hanging on to Pillar the last few years? How much was under control 2016-17 Kevin Pillar worth in the trade market? A lot more than we got for him.

The Yankees did the exact thing we're talking about a couple of years ago, traded assets while they still had value, added a pile of assets and opened up payroll room.

Donaldson was hurt, though you can complain about the timing.
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Well that's just it. These clowns decided to fake compete, and allowed the value of basically every asset they had to crater before they shipped them out the door. The Jays won 76 ****ing games in 2017, and Donaldson was coming off of a 5.1 WAR season with 1 yr of control left, and everyone on the ****ing planet knew we weren't paying him after that. Trade him. Pillar was an all glove, no stick CF closing in on 30, coming off of a 2.0 WAR season with a couple years of control left. ****ing trade him for the highest upside prospect someone will offer you. They were players that were of no value to us going forward even if they could still play. The 2 years of dicking around they did set the rebuild back another year or two on top of that.
 
The team should have been detonated in the winter after 2017

-Russell Martin was a 2.2 WAR catcher at the time, ****, we ended up paying for him to be elsewhere anyway. Why not do it in the winter after 2017 and actually get some good stuff back?

-Smoak had just hit 38 homeruns...we can't ****ing give the guy away now. 3.6 WAR and cheap...secure the ****ing bag

-Already touched on Donaldson & Pillar. Criminal stupidity.

-Estrada was coming off of a good season (2.5 WAR), had one more year on a very reasonable deal left and clearly was not in our future plans....

-J.A Happ....see ****ing above. What does a rebuilding club need with a good 35 yr old #3 pitcher?

Had the club been detonated at the time like it should have, coming off of a 76 win season, we would have been 2 years into this "rebuild" already with a much clearer picture of what the future actually looks like (as in, there might have been some actual talent on the club for Vladdy and Bo to compliment as they broke in), and we would have had a nice bag of goodies to roll forward with from moving all of those good to very good ball players, all of them aside from Martin under cheap control for one more year at the time.

****ing clownshoes. Yes, choosing a shit time to trade the entire bag of them is part of any criticism on return.

Had they done all of that relatively competently, maybe some of us would shrug at the Stroman return and take it on faith that these competent operators did the right thing, that the market wasn't there for Stro, etc. But they've been pure incompetence since they got to town, they've earned literally zero benefit of the doubt.
 
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Rememberwhen Shapiro blasted AA for giving up so many mediocre prospects in 2015? LOL

I don't unbderstabd why you would even think of trading Sanchez when his value was so low and he showed signs of turnning it around in his last few starts.
 
Call me up when these buffoons are fired. Haven't cared or paid attention to the Jays in a while. Too bad really with the Raps now coming back to the earth. Would have been a good time for the Jays to be relevant again.
 
This Sanchez semi no no is the best thing that could’ve happened. Honestly I’m good giving him up for free (which we kinda did anyway) to have him do that in his first start.

Nothing would’ve brought more attention and embarrassment to Shatkins than this outcome. It’s a good first step to getting them out of here.
 
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