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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

I doubt it. They have way too many arms they want to give looks too.

Borucki 26
Thornton 26
Waguespack 26
Pannone 26
Kay 25
Zeuch 24
SRF 24
Pearson 23

And they still have control of

Shoemaker 33
Godley 30
Merryweather 28

And other arms they likely want at least in AAA:

Murphy 25
Hatch 25
Perez 24
Logue 24
Murray 23
Diaz 23
 
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Especially if they trade Giles (like they should), they need to bring in at least a few new arms in the rotation and pen, otherwise they're going to blow a lot of games, and that's going to be tough for any young team to take.

But if they can bring in a couple arms, the office definitely has the potential to be something special, and at the very least they should be a more fun team to watch.
Im assuming they get a mishmash of meh for Giles. If you listen to these guys they are super proud that they had no idea Clevinger, Kluber or Carrasco would be as good as they are so they seem to be throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and hoping for the same thing
 
I doubt it. They have way too many arms they want to give looks too.

Borucki 26
Thornton 26
Waguespack 26
Pannone 26
Kay 25
Zeuch 24
SRF 24
Perez 24
Pearson 23

And they still have control of

Shoemaker 33
Godley 30
Merryweather 28

And other arms they likely want at least in AAA:

Murphy 25
Hatch 25
Perez 24
Logue 24
Murray 23
Diaz 23
So much shit at the wall. I think Godley eas DFAd
 
Yeah there’s just no need to have 5 rotation spots open for that pile of garbage. A few interesting names in there, they can compete for the back end of the rotation. The rest of them should be the #6-11 starters. With inevitable injuries, they’ll all get a chance.
 
Yeah there’s just no need to have 5 rotation spots open for that pile of garbage. A few interesting names in there, they can compete for the back end of the rotation. The rest of them should be the #6-11 starters. With inevitable injuries, they’ll all get a chance.

You want enough spots that you can figure out which of those 15 or so guys will actually turn into something, but yeah, definitely still space to bring in a legit arm. But interesting to see how they will play with them - do you just rotate guys through the majors and AAA, or keep some of those guys as long arms in the pen?
 
Probably a good idea to bring in one veteran to fit in at or near the top of the rotation for now. (Interesting question as to who, because there's zero chance Gerrit Cole will come here, and there aren't that many great options this year. Wheeler, maybe?)

Pearson will arrive by mid-season, and we'll probably want to see if Shoemaker can stay healthy and pitch well. That's 3 slots, the others are there for the taking in spring training. Pannone's a bullpen guy, Reid-Foley likely is too although he'll probably get a shot at a rotation spot in spring training, as will Waguespack, Kay, Borucki, Thornton, Zeuch.

By mid-season:

(Wheeler)
Pearson
Shoemaker
Kay
Thornton/Borucki
 
You want enough spots that you can figure out which of those 15 or so guys will actually turn into something, but yeah, definitely still space to bring in a legit arm. But interesting to see how they will play with them - do you just rotate guys through the majors and AAA, or keep some of those guys as long arms in the pen?
I think this type of thing tends to work itself out. They have a fairly large group of guys, most of whom are probably AAAA type guys, some MLB RP, and maybe one or two that can hack it as MLB SP.

Let's say they start the season with two legit SP in the rotation (have to be free agents), Shoemaker, and then Waguespack and Zeuch as the #4 and #5. By the end of April, there's a good chance one of the top 3 will be injured and one of the bottom 2 will have been terrible for a month. Likely even worse. Cycle in the next two guys, maybe Pearson and Kay. Give them a month, and if they can't hack it, bring up the next group.

Also, of that list, I think most of them have already demonstrated they are not good enough or don't have good enough stuff to be handed a spot. If someone like Hatch or Murray are stellar in AAA next year, maybe they get a look. Guys like Thornton and Pannone have been given more than enough opportunity. Maybe they're bullpen pieces, but you could DFA them without losing any sleep. Same goes for almost half of the Jays 40-man roster, but that's another issue altogether.

I'm not under any illusion that Atkins is going to actually do this -- he'd rather waste another season sorting out which one or two of that pile of junk can actually play at the MLB level. He has spent four years acquiring extremely low upside "depth" so that they could do exactly what they did this year. They'll do the same next year and probably 2021 as well. Best case scenario, Atkins is gone after that. Their current approach has basically no prospect of success.
 
Not to be too obvious because of the glasses... but Anthony Kay looks reminiscent of Brett Cecil. A few good pitches, probably not enough to start. Might be a very effective LHP reliever (not a LOOGY, but an actual RP).

He's probably not Jimmy Key, unfortunately. That was the even more obvious dream.
 
let me introduce you to messrs shatkins...

Ive been trying to think what the most Shatkins possible offseason could consist of and ive concluded...

1) Deal out of options Alford for a prospect outside of a teans top 30. If pitcher cuz spin rate, if hitter cause exit velo or fast

2) Sign Brandon Belt for 1B

3) Sign SP not attached to compensation that is barely better than our legion if AAA stuff. Lets call him Alex Wood.

4) Trade for other SP. Either meh vet or something 25 and out of options on a really good club.

5) Give Cavan Biggio or Danny Jansen a ling term deal but no Bo ir Vlad. Hype up things like leader beanery
 
If you were Bo or Vlad would you even consider signing a long term deal with the present day Jays?
Yeah, I won't blame Shatkins for not locking them up long-term. Compound with the fact that they obviously both come from baseball families, so I doubt either of their families are struggling for money to live on, not expecting discounts on them. Hope is we're in a good spot 5-6 years from now that they'll stay on. Or they marry local :p
 
Yeah, I won't blame Shatkins for not locking them up long-term. Compound with the fact that they obviously both come from baseball families, so I doubt either of their families are struggling for money to live on, not expecting discounts on them. Hope is we're in a good spot 5-6 years from now that they'll stay on. Or they marry local :p
I don’t see why they wouldn’t consider it, if Atkins and Shapiro can convince them they’re serious about turning the Jays into a contender.

People make a big deal about how they both came from money, but that could cut both ways. Maybe they want their own money. Maybe not worrying about money growing up will make them focus more on other things, like how much they like Toronto, being a part of the same organization long term, etc. I wouldn’t assume that just because their families are well off, they’re going to be more mercenary than anyone else. Might be that if the Jays make them a fair offer, they would take it.

The bigger issue is the risk aversion of management. Almost no chance they commit term and money to players this young. More likely they’re already salivating over the number of soon-to-be 40-man roster casualties they’ll be able to get back in trade 4 years from now.
 
I wasn’t even considering money aspect. I was thinking more about them preferring to move on to a team that is more likely to contend for the playoffs.
 
I wasn’t even considering money aspect. I was thinking more about them preferring to move on to a team that is more likely to contend for the playoffs.
I would think they will want to see the team spend some money on FA before they commit. It would be flattering that the Jays are planning to build the team around Vlad and Bo, but if they're intent on filling out the rest of the roster with pre-arb guys and "value" (i.e. low upside) FA, then Vlad and Bo will probably be disappointed.

Anyway, I think it's a moot point. Atkins is not going to do anything in the next few years because risk and then if Vlad and Bo are as good as they look like they will be, they'll be priced out of the Jays' comfort zone. The only scenario I can see them being here long term is if they're not actually very good. In that case, they could be cheap.
 
Yes. His mistake was going to an organization who expected him to win. Would have been much safer in Toronto. Boston won last year ffs, but they don't suffer failure with a smile like Rogers does.
 
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