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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

zeke said:


add this to the MLB Roundtable talk yesterday of Berrios + Cruz.
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If The Jays get Cruz, talk about a Murders Row... jeez... Semien - Vladdy - Cruz - Springer - Teo - Bichette - Dickerson/Grichuk - Biggio - Kirk ... that might be better then 2015...

I think LGR would be the key piece going the other way - with maybe Pearson as well (though I think that is an over-payment, maybe Kloff?). Sell high (I guess low, because he is having a bad year, but high because this could be the "real" LGR) and it would allow Dickerson/Grichuk to platoon in LF/RF and pave a way for Martin to take over LF next year.
 
Pwner said:
If The Jays get Cruz, talk about a Murders Row... jeez... Semien - Vladdy - Cruz - Springer - Teo - Bichette - Dickerson/Grichuk - Biggio - Kirk ... that might be better then 2015...

I think LGR would be the key piece going the other way - with maybe Pearson as well (though I think that is an over-payment, maybe Kloff?). Sell high (I guess low, because he is having a bad year, but high because this could be the "real" LGR) and it would allow Dickerson/Grichuk to platoon in LF/RF and pave a way for Martin to take over LF next year.
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Cruz in a lot of ways doesn't fit the team as well, since I think we have less need of a pure DH type, and I'd rather get a LH bat if I had a choice. But mother of pearl, if you get him, you're running something like 6 of the top 15 or 20 best RH bats in baseball in a row, and it's not like Biggio/Kirk/Grichuk are horrible either.

What it costs, that's the question? Gurriel is certainly tradeable in that scenario, and if you can get Cruz and Berrios, then virtually no prospect is truly off-limits. And the Jays definitely have the prospect capital to make it work.

But, then again, the Jays are in such a tough spot. There's a part of me that wants to push, given that nobody else is really running away in the AL. But at the same time, you're still 3 games out of the road team in a WC game, and further out of being a division winner, so it's very tough to justify. But then, you also have just one year of Semien, so assuming you lose him in the off-season, there's an extra piece you have to replace next year to get back to where you are...
 
N.Pearson
L.Gurriel
D.Jansen
K.Smith
+ some B/C prospects

would be an intriguing type of package for Berrios+Cruz
 
zeke said:
N.Pearson
L.Gurriel
D.Jansen
K.Smith
+ some B/C prospects

would be an intriguing type of package for Berrios+Cruz
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Way too much to give up for them, honestly. I want them around, sure, and Berrios does still have some control left, but I have to think that it would be more like Pearson OR Gurriel plus some extras, not both.
 
UWHabs said:
Way too much to give up for them, honestly. I want them around, sure, and Berrios does still have some control left, but I have to think that it would be more like Pearson OR Gurriel plus some extras, not both.
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yeah we probably differ on our valuation of Gurriel.
 
Well this off-season, there were rumors of packages built around either Biggio or Gurriel for Lindor. The Jays didn't want to include them (?) or something - I think the trade package was built around prospects. But, if the rumors were true that Cleveland wanted Gurriel as the main piece back, then I can see how his value would be higher around the league then for the Jays right now. Plus he is getting paid like 2.5 mil for the next couple of years.

Cruz is a rental, and Berrios has 1.5 years of control. Gurriel + a top 5 - 10 prospect seems about right. Some team will convince themselves that last years Gurriel is the REAL Gurriel.
 
zeke said:
yeah we probably differ on our valuation of Gurriel.
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To me, you deal him if whoever you're dealing with him treats him as a legit piece and gives you value for him. Even if you value him as virtually a throw-in, I would just not deal him in that case and keep him around, until either he turns it around, or you find someone else who sees him as valuable and trade him then. He doesn't make enough money to want to simply throw away quite yet, and he's not taking up a roster spot for someone more valuable, despite whatever hard-on you have for Grichuk and his 30/100 self.
 
UWHabs said:
To me, you deal him if whoever you're dealing with him treats him as a legit piece and gives you value for him. Even if you value him as virtually a throw-in, I would just not deal him in that case and keep him around, until either he turns it around, or you find someone else who sees him as valuable and trade him then. He doesn't make enough money to want to simply throw away quite yet, and he's not taking up a roster spot for someone more valuable, despite whatever hard-on you have for Grichuk and his 30/100 self.
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I see Gurriel and Grichuk as pretty much equal, with Gurriel's contract giving him more trade value. I don't see either as a long-term starter for us, in an ideal world.
 
MON4NHLTOR4MLB said:
Other than Ohtani and maybe Soto, that’s a rather boring field to watch
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Gallo and Alonso are big power guys, both should be blasting balls in Denver. Mancini is the "good story", having come back from missing last year to Cancer. Story is your token local player. Olson is an underrated guy, playing in Oakland, and could surprise. Perez is probably the least exciting guy, but he's a catcher with power so okay some people like that.
 
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