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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

just a comp of all our elite prospect youngsters' hitting, generally listing their age seasons in order of imo best to worst:


Age 19

Vlad (AAA): 128pa, 11.7b%/7.8k%, .323bip/.336avg, .227iso, 175wrc+
Vlad (AA): 266pa, 7.9b%/10.2k%, .402bip/.402avg, .269iso, 203wrc+
Bo (A+): 182pa, 7.7b%/14.3k%, .360bip/.323avg, .149iso, 145wrc+
Bo (A): 317pa, 8.8b%/17.4k%, .452bip/.384avg, .239iso, 201wrc+
Orelvis (A): 284pa, 9.9b%/25.7k%, .361bip/.298avg, .310iso, 161wrc+
Moreno (A): 341pa, 6.5b%/11.1k%, .282bip/.280avg, .205iso, 134wrc+
Groshans (A): 96pa, 13.5b%/21.9k%, .433bip/.337avg, .145iso, 167wrc+
Otto (A-): 206pa, 12.6b%/10.2k%, .320bip/.297avg, .137iso, 134wrc+
Kirk (Rk+): 244pa, 13.5b%/8.6k%, .354bip/.354avg, .204iso, 160wrc+

Age 20

Vlad (MLB): 514pa, 8.9b%/17.7k%, .308bip/.272avg, .162iso, 105wrc+
Vlad (AAA): 34pa, 11.8b%/5.9k%, .320bip/.267avg, .333iso, 187wrc+
Bo (AA): 595pa, 8.1b%/17.0k%, .331bip/.286avg, .167iso, 120wrc+
Kirk (A+): 276pa, 13.8b%/11.2k%, .317bip/.288avg, .159iso, 153wrc+
Kirk (A): 96pa, 18.8b%/8.3k%, .299bip/.299avg, .221iso, 173wrc+
Otto (A): 492pa, 6.9b%/12.8k%, .365bip/324avg, .101iso, 132wrc+

Age 21

Vlad (MLB): 243pa, 8.2b%/15.6k%, .282bip/.262avg, .199iso, 112wrc+
Kirk (MLB): 25pa, 4.0b%/16.0k%, .421bip/.375avg, .208iso, 166wrc+
Bo (MLB): 212pa, 6.6b%/23.6k%, .368bip/.311avg, .260iso, 142wrc+
Moreno (AA): 145pa, 9.7b%/15.2k%, .398bip/.373avg, .278iso, 190wrc+
Bo (AAA): 244pa, 7.8b%/19.7k%, .317bip/.275avg, .198iso, 103wrc+
Groshans (AA): 192pa, 11.5b%/20.3k%, .357bip/.294avg, .159iso, 127wrc+

Age 22

Vlad (MLB): 393pa, 14.2b%/17.8k%, .333bip/.239avg, .347iso, 194wrc+
Kirk (MLB): 46pa, 10.9b%/13.0k%, .194bip/.225avg, .250iso, 118wrc+
Bo (MLB): 128pa, 3.9b%/21.1k%, .352bip/.301avg, .211iso, 122wrc+
Kirk (AAA): 56pa, 8.9b%/16.1k%, .375bip/.347avg, .184iso, 141wrc+
Otto (AA): 282pa, 8.5b%/20.2k%, .425bip/.340avg, .132iso, 140wrc+
Martin (AA): 230pa, 13.9b%/22.2k%, .353bip/.268avg, .093iso, 120wrc+
 
Orelvis is going to be a star. And he is on some kind of tear. 1.535 OPS so far in July.

Orelvis is showing up in everyone's trade rumours because they're clueing in to what a great prospect he is for the first time. The Jays invested a lot in him ($3.5M signing bonus in 2018, 2nd highest international bonus in team history behind Vladdy), and are not going to give him away or throw him in as the 2nd or 3rd prospect in a deal. This is a situation where Atkins' extreme risk aversion has to work to their advantage.
 
The Rays just traded Rich Hill for a decent prospect and a couple of injured pitchers. Hill was seemingly an important part of their rotation, especially with Glasnow out for the year. The move seems weird, but this is why the Rays are consistently good.

Hill is overperforming on the year, ridiculously so, and he has been poor in the last month. Tampa's assessment is that he is not going to be good for the rest of the year, let's cash him in now for a few chips rather than waiting for him to fail and cost the team wins and money. Hill has spent 17 years in the majors and the 95.1 IP he's thrown this year are his 5th highest ever. Good bet that he isn't going to accomplish much more this season.

A Jays equivalent would have been getting out from under Randal Grichuk's deal in early May when he was off to a hot start and his albatross contract might have seemed, to some, like a "steal". Grichuck was at 1.0 WAR at the end of April. He's at 0.9 right now. The Jays held on to their 10M/yr replacement player, and that will cost them wins as well as pretty good money over the next few years. The Rays moved Hill while they could and are just about as good now while making their future brighter.

BTW Hill might start in this series against the Jays.
 
If only there had been some way of knowing that having Steven Matz as your #3 was risky.

I expect him to be decent against his former team. Needs to brush off the Alonso HR and give them some shutout innings.
 
manny said:
The Rays just traded Rich Hill for a decent prospect and a couple of injured pitchers. Hill was seemingly an important part of their rotation, especially with Glasnow out for the year. The move seems weird, but this is why the Rays are consistently good.

Hill is overperforming on the year, ridiculously so, and he has been poor in the last month. Tampa's assessment is that he is not going to be good for the rest of the year, let's cash him in now for a few chips rather than waiting for him to fail and cost the team wins and money. Hill has spent 17 years in the majors and the 95.1 IP he's thrown this year are his 5th highest ever. Good bet that he isn't going to accomplish much more this season.

A Jays equivalent would have been getting out from under Randal Grichuk's deal in early May when he was off to a hot start and his albatross contract might have seemed, to some, like a "steal". Grichuck was at 1.0 WAR at the end of April. He's at 0.9 right now. The Jays held on to their 10M/yr replacement player, and that will cost them wins as well as pretty good money over the next few years. The Rays moved Hill while they could and are just about as good now while making their future brighter.

BTW Hill might start in this series against the Jays.
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The Rays are fuken elite at roster and asset management plus draft and development

Archer , Snell , etc... sell at their peak

Grich is not an albatross contract , not even close to the crap on other teams
 
Never been a Matz fan and I know others disagree on that which I can appreciate as well. Maybe it's time to let Springer lead off
 
It's not so much about being a fan, it's writing a guy off because he walks a guy and then gives up a dinger...sucks yeah, but then he did alright yeah?
You must just keep a cane around, I don't if anybody here does more knee-jerk reactions than you. :devilish:
 
I was glad they signed Matz because I thought he was a decent bounce-back candidate. He has held his own, hasn't been great, but he usually pitches into the 6th and gives the team a chance to win most games. Just like last night. Matz is, and has always been, unfortunately homer prone. But they would be even more lost without him this year. I hope they sign him to a cheapish one year extension with a team option or two. He's injury prone and inconsistent, but he's a Lefty, not a lot of mileage on the arm, could be the kind of guy who is better in his 30s than he was in his 20s. Like J.A. Happ.
 
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