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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

It hasn’t been perfect in the Atlantic league. They started with a 3D strike zone but that produced weird results so they changed it to a plane a few inches back from the front of the plate. Also I believe the zone is adjusted electronically for every batter but not sure how it takes their stance into consideration. And players change their stances. All I mean is that there will be some adjustments as it is implemented.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
I'm not so sure that replay has made any sport it's used in better, especially when one considers the fact that even with replay they still get the call wrong about half the time.
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Eh, this is a bad take.

Replay has made every sport better if the intent is to get the call right more often. When the call is wrong even with replay assistance, that isn't an argument for more human intervention into the officiating of the game, it's a call for less. The replay assistance wasn't wrong, it's that the human interpreting it couldn't even get the call right with the ability to slow it down and watch it over and over again.

Video review has made Tennis better, has been implemented extremely successfully in football (american and international), has been excellent in the NBA. The only league that managed to fuck it up to any degree was the NHL (shocking) but even they're figuring it out and changing poorly interpreted rules.

There is nothing worse in sport than the outcome of the game being decided by the absolute least capable (and in many cases, least necessary) human being in the equation. The whole point of sports is to find out who is better. A small handful of short stoppages (at most) during a game doesn't negatively effect the quality of the game remotely as much as poor officiating.
 
MLB is so funny - auto ejection for arguing balls and strikes

i am sure they could take a "half way" robo umps approach

just have the manager have a button or flag (must be done before the next pitch) to challenge up to....i dunno 5 calls
then have the robo ump make the call - should be the quickest review ever

i side effect of this is that i bet umps stop the "my strikezone" shit

and then in a few years replace the human umps

and in a decade you can just use AI for all the calls
 
is there any actual, logical, coherent argument in favour of maintaining human umps for balls and strikes when we know with certainty that the computer will be more accurate and more consistent?

other than 'protecting jobs' or something of that ilk (which ironically likely does not even apply as you still need a human home plate ump...).

so back to... tradition? a preference for human error?
 
Wayward DP said:
is there any actual, logical, coherent argument in favour of maintaining human umps for balls and strikes when we know with certainty that the computer will be more accurate and more consistent?

other than 'protecting jobs' or something of that ilk (which ironically likely does not even apply as you still need a human home plate ump...).

so back to... tradition? a preference for human error?
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wrong calls are "part of the game"
 
worm said:
MLB is so funny - auto ejection for arguing balls and strikes

i am sure they could take a "half way" robo umps approach

just have the manager have a button or flag (must be done before the next pitch) to challenge up to....i dunno 5 calls
then have the robo ump make the call - should be the quickest review ever

i side effect of this is that i bet umps stop the "my strikezone" shit

and then in a few years replace the human umps

and in a decade you can just use AI for all the calls
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i feel like if you can track outfield routes and player speeds, having something that let's you know whether the cleat hits the base before the ball is secured in the baseman's mitt should be cake. If there are more nuanced calls that need reply or some kind of human intervention you can still have someone looking at replays.
 
Thing is if these games were invented today of course they'd take advantage of sensor technology to take the human judgment error out of it. Umpires are a necessary evil, not a feature of the game. Unfortunately, many umpires don't realize that. But they are way less necessary now than ever.
 
Deckie007 said:
i feel like if you can track outfield routes and player speeds, having something that let's you know whether the cleat hits the base before the ball is secured in the baseman's mitt should be cake. If there are more nuanced calls that need reply or some kind of human intervention you can still have someone looking at replays.
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Easy. Just have sensors on bases and in gloves and some kind of little light that turns green or red based on whether a guy is safe or out. Let some guy stand there in an umpire's uniform and make sure nothing goes wrong. MLB can afford it.

It's going this way already because with replay challenges, it doesn't really matter what the umpire says. You can review a close call anyway. Why not just cut out a step? It would speed up the game.
 
manny said:
Easy. Just have sensors on bases and in gloves and some kind of little light that turns green or red based on whether a guy is safe or out. Let some guy stand there in an umpire's uniform and make sure nothing goes wrong. MLB can afford it.

It's going this way already because with replay challenges, it doesn't really matter what the umpire says. You can review a close call anyway. Why not just cut out a step? It would speed up the game.
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you would think the NHL could do this with pucks/goal lines too...
 
I really think umpires have become more humble and in the background since they introduced this replay technology. It's a big improvement in the product.

One thing it does is "let the players play".
 
Wayward DP said:
you would think the NHL could do this with pucks/goal lines too...
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They tested a chipped puck that spits out telemetry data and players complained, said it "bounced funny".

I think the mistake they made was letting the players know which games it was being used in. A puck bounces funny already, I'm going to bet that there was minimal difference between the two but the players complained.

It's coming eventually.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Edward Rogers out is either really good or really bad
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Has he ever proven himself to be competent at anything?

Hopefully he's the one that has been holding onto the baseball team and this move gets people at Rogers HQ thinking about "unlocking shareholder value" by selling. I'm sure the boys at MLSE could raid the couch cushions and get the deal done. They're the natural choice.
 
MindzEye said:
Has he ever proven himself to be competent at anything?

Hopefully he's the one that has been holding onto the baseball team and this move gets people at Rogers HQ thinking about "unlocking shareholder value" by selling. I'm sure the boys at MLSE could raid the couch cushions and get the deal done. They're the natural choice.
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That would be in the very good column.

The very bad would be if he was the one letting Shapiro and Atkins spend to the areas they were spending and he's been ousted because they are going to cut costs.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
That would be in the very good column.

The very bad would be if he was the one letting Shapiro and Atkins spend to the areas they were spending and he's been ousted because they are going to cut costs.
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The jays are a rounding error on their budget. Hes being pushed out for taking a run at the CEO and not having the support he thought he had.
 
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