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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Deckie007 said:
You can't give AA credit for assembling the core (Acuna, Swanson, Freeman, Fried, Albies, Anderson, Rielly, Anderson) were all there when he arrived. I will give him credit for making smart moves around that core and not trading any of them away for a quick fix. So yes, congrats AA. Bigger props for seeing how shit his division was and going for it smartly with little risk even though he lost his best player. Most teams would have sold off and packed it in at that point.
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Got hot at the right time , barely a .500 club a few months ago

Division was shit but you take any advantage in front of you
 
It does show you that the playoffs is pretty much a crapshot, so 90% of the battle is just making it in and then hoping your guys get hot at the right time.
 
CH1 said:
Every manager has the same recipe to win these days. The numbers are the numbers.

Hard to believe teams used to have different philosophies -- Whitey Herzog played small ball (lots of infield hits, running around and stolen bases) while Earl Weaver preferred waiting for the 3 run homer -- and both were successful.
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Because one played in a league where pitchers have to take a turn at bat and the other one had a DH. And I guarantee you that the brand of baseball played by the Cardinals was exponentially more exciting to watch than the static brand of baseball played in the junior circuit. Some of the best games I ever attended live were games between the Expos and the Cards circa 1987. It was Raines vs Coleman to see which one would steal more bases. Nowadays I'm hard pressed to see why pitchers even bother with the stretch when there's a runner on first anymore. Nobody is even trying to steal bases because the fancy stats don't support the strategy.
 
Kind of funny that the year Shapiro and Atkins finally trade major prospects, AA makes extremely low cost improvements at the deadline and wins the Word Series. Meanwhile the Jays finish fourth in the division, again.

It's a very uneven playing field though. They really need to consider re-alignment.
 
GEEMAN said:
yup, problem is MLB is very difficult to make the playoffs with limited spots
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UWHabs said:
It does show you that the playoffs is pretty much a crapshot, so 90% of the battle is just making it in and then hoping your guys get hot at the right time.
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It happens in all sports. Last summer the Habs barely qualified for the playoffs but got hot at the right time. In 2020 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were a wild card team and they won it all.
 
manny said:
Kind of funny that the year Shapiro and Atkins finally trade major prospects, AA makes extremely low cost improvements at the deadline and wins the Word Series. Meanwhile the Jays finish fourth in the division, again.

It's a very uneven playing field though. They really need to consider re-alignment.
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The only way to truly level the playing field is revenue sharing and a salary cap.
 
GEEMAN said:
Got hot at the right time , barely a .500 club a few months ago

Division was shit but you take any advantage in front of you
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The Scotiabank North Division was shit last season and the Habs were among the shittiest teams in that division yet we all saw what happened.
 
manny said:
Kind of funny that the year Shapiro and Atkins finally trade major prospects, AA makes extremely low cost improvements at the deadline and wins the Word Series. Meanwhile the Jays finish fourth in the division, again.

It's a very uneven playing field though. They really need to consider re-alignment.
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They're going to have some very heated discussions when the CBA expires in December, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of the "solutions" ends up being planned expansion by 2 teams. When they do that, they'll pretty much have to re-align things, so there's a hope that between that and some form of expanded playoffs, things will be a little more fair.
 
Deckie007 said:
You can't give AA credit for assembling the core (Acuna, Swanson, Freeman, Fried, Albies, Anderson, Rielly, Anderson) were all there when he arrived. I will give him credit for making smart moves around that core and not trading any of them away for a quick fix. So yes, congrats AA. Bigger props for seeing how shit his division was and going for it smartly with little risk even though he lost his best player. Most teams would have sold off and packed it in at that point.
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will you give him credit for acquiring the CS and WS MVPs midseason?
 
Deckie007 said:
not sure "Ok, Boomer" has ever been more appropriate. So...Ok Boomer.
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Calling me a boomer (which I'm not but that's beside the point) doesn't invalidate my argument. People over a certain age aren't automatically wrong just because they're that age. I have more experience and have seen more baseball than you have. I've probably forgotten more about baseball than you've ever experienced. So if anything, my opinion is buttressed by having seen a shit ton more baseball games than you have. And when I learned the game, I learned it from people 20 and 30 years older than myself. I valued their opinions based on their years of experience. I didn't dismiss them simply because they were older. If anything, their age made them more of an authority on the subject.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Calling me a boomer (which I'm not but that's beside the point) doesn't invalidate my argument. People over a certain age aren't automatically wrong just because they're that age. I have more experience and have seen more baseball than you have. I've probably forgotten more about baseball than you've ever experienced. So if anything, my opinion is buttressed by having seen a shit ton more baseball games than you have. And when I learned the game, I learned it from people 20 and 30 years older than myself. I valued their opinions based on their years of experience. I didn't dismiss them simply because they were older. If anything, their age made them more of an authority on the subject.
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sometimes change is good.

often change is necessary.

but fighting change for the sake of tradition is almost always silly.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Calling me a boomer (which I'm not but that's beside the point) doesn't invalidate my argument. People over a certain age aren't automatically wrong just because they're that age. I have more experience and have seen more baseball than you have. I've probably forgotten more about baseball than you've ever experienced. So if anything, my opinion is buttressed by having seen a shit ton more baseball games than you have. And when I learned the game, I learned it from people 20 and 30 years older than myself. I valued their opinions based on their years of experience. I didn't dismiss them simply because they were older. If anything, their age made them more of an authority on the subject.
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Nah, being close minded and resistant to progress what makes you wrong. Age is just a key ingredient to that.
 
I also like that late 80s brand of baseball with lots of SB, more emphasis on speed, defence, putting the ball in play, 30% fewer GIDPs and 60% fewer Ks.

You won't get that back by eliminating the DH though. NL ball is bad right now too. They need more systematic changes.
 
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