OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

[Killer93]

Shave off those sideburns!!!

 

[Killer93]

 

[Wayward DP]

wasn't Mattingly a not so successful manager not too long ago?

 

[UWHabs]

wasn't Mattingly a not so successful manager not too long ago?

He's been with Miami for a number of years. Not a great record, but the team stinks, so it's really hard to tell. Although managers on the whole are just impossible to judge - Mattingly won manager of the year in the shortened 2020 season. Was that his great skill, or just got lucky because the players did well in adverse sitiations?

 

[mbow30]

baseball's all time loveable loser.

yanks lost in the series the year before mattingly started his career, missed the playoffs in 14 straight years, and won the series the year after he retired.

perfect fit for the shatkins regime.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

 

[manny]

Don’t know anything about Mattingly as a coach.

As a player he was a poor man’s Olerud, but he’ll probably get into the HOF eventually because Yankees.

 

[MindzEye]

Mattingly was a stud before the back injuries.

 

[Killer93]

Some poor organization is going to sign Judge to a very poor contract. I think he goes to the Giants

 

[Volcanologist]

needs to grow huge muttonchops for his Jays tenure.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Don’t know anything about Mattingly as a coach.

As a player he was a poor man’s Olerud, but he’ll probably get into the HOF eventually because Yankees.

A poor man's Olerud?

Olerud played 449 more games in his career than Mattingly. That's almost 3 full seasons. And for all those extra games, Mattingly had more hits (2153 to 1139) only 33 fewer home runs (222 to 255) only 131 fewer RBI's (1099 to 1230) and had a .307 lifetime batting average compared to Olerud's .295.

If anything, Olerud was a poor man's Mattingly.

 

[manny]

A poor man's Olerud?

Olerud played 449 more games in his career than Mattingly. That's almost 3 full seasons. And for all those extra games, Mattingly had more hits (2153 to 1139) only 33 fewer home runs (222 to 255) only 131 fewer RBI's (1099 to 1230) and had a .307 lifetime batting average compared to Olerud's .295.

If anything, Olerud was a poor man's Mattingly.

You should look at those numbers you just posted and have another think. For example, your hits number for Olerud is off by 1100. Then look at other more meaningful numbers including OBP.

For reference, Olerud’s career WAR is 58.2. Mattingly 42.4.

Mattingly had a really great 4-year peak where he was one of the top 1B in the game. Olerud’s best year was better than Mattingly’s though. And Olerud’s best stretch actually came in his late 20s/early 30s, well after his best year in 1993. The fact you don’t know that sort of proves my point.

Mattingly was a Yankee with a good BA and lots of RBIs. Olerud was better in pretty much every other way.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

You should look at those numbers you just posted and have another think. For example, your hits number for Olerud is off by 1100. Then look at other more meaningful numbers including OBP.

For reference, Olerud’s career WAR is 58.2. Mattingly 42.4.

Mattingly had a really great 4-year peak where he was one of the top 1B in the game. Olerud’s best year was better than Mattingly’s though. And Olerud’s best stretch actually came in his late 20s/early 30s, well after his best year in 1993. The fact you don’t know that sort of proves my point.

Mattingly was a Yankee with a good BA and lots of RBIs. Olerud was better in pretty much every other way.

Hitting for average driving in runs are what the game is all about. If Player A is better in those areas than Player B then Player A is the superior player. I couldn't give a shit about some nerdy WAR number. Additionally, Olerud benefitted from playing on better teams for the most part than did Mattingly.

 

[manny]

Hmmm… good point. Admittedly, I had not considered “what the game is all about”

 

[leafman101]

Hitting for average driving in runs are what the game is all about. If Player A is better in those areas than Player B then Player A is the superior player. I couldn't give a shit about some nerdy WAR number. Additionally, Olerud benefitted from playing on better teams for the most part than did Mattingly.

Because he was a winner and Mattingly is a loser

 

[GEEMAN]

Some poor organization is going to sign Judge to a very poor contract. I think he goes to the Giants

no , need the Yanks to win the derby

His contract was always going to stink

 

[UWHabs]

no , need the Yanks to win the derby

His contract was always going to stink

I do think that would be good. Although I do also kind of like the idea of him signing somewhere else, and the Yankees going crazy and signing lots of other worse players to fill out and try to pretend like they're going to be better than they would be with Judge.

 

[GEEMAN]

I do think that would be good. Although I do also kind of like the idea of him signing somewhere else, and the Yankees going crazy and signing lots of other worse players to fill out and try to pretend like they're going to be better than they would be with Judge.

If he bolts , Yanks will target 2-3 star types and be a better team

Need them to blow their fucken brains out on Judge

 

[HabsFan1]

Got a feeling we are going to piss away the years of young bo/Vlad/ etc.

 

[GEEMAN]

Got a feeling we are going to piss away the years of young bo/Vlad/ etc.

This is nowhere near the Angels pissing away Trouts career