OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

[zeke]

they've got enough money to re-sign all the guys that are leaving.

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

Honestly, they're losing ~10 wins to free agency without a lot of money to replace it. I don't think they're a given for 88-90 wins

Gotta assume most of the core improves

 

[MyNameIsJonas]

they've got enough money to re-sign all the guys that are leaving.

But why would you?

 

[zeke]

But why would you?

cuz they were their best players?

 

[MindzEye]

they've got enough money to re-sign all the guys that are leaving.

At 2023 budget levels, sure.

I've got doubt until proven otherwise.

 

[MindzEye]

Gotta assume most of the core improves

I don't see it

-Vladdy is the only glaring imo where significant improvement could/should be expected

-Bichette at 3.8 is about right (4-5 WAR seems to be where he is).

-I'm not part of the "Kirk is actually an All Star" faction. He's got 2 months of 200 wRC+ in 2022 and the rest of his career AB's in the 95-105 wRC+ range.

-Springer would be nice to see a bounce back from but it's not like he was unlucky this year, just mediocre. Batted ball stuff shows a steady decline in HR/FB rates for 4-5 years now, and this year he pulled the ball a lot less. Coupled with the age, and his performance against fastballs (he went from 17 runs above average against fastballs in 2022 to 0.2 runs above average this year, it kind of suggests that the bat speed has declined. Maybe he figures out a way around that (wouldn't be the first former all star stick to make an adjustment and remain good into his mid-late 30's). Maybe he's another guy that our all fields hitting approach broke and it's fixable instead of it being bat speed related? Dunno.

- I don't think Varsho is an 85 wRC+ stick, but I'm also not sure he's the best CF in baseball (that both UZR & DRS says he was this year, by a lot). 95-105 wRC+ and even "just" top 5 defensive metrics (like in 2022) as a full time CF next year is an upgrade on this year, but not a huge one.

Not sure who else counts as core....Gausman isn't getting younger and had the most WAR of any starter in the AL this year, we're not getting more out of him. Is Manoah core? Does he ever throw another game for us?

 

[manny]

They also had great luck with health this year and the Yankees and Red Sox can both be expected to upgrade.

 

[drewser]

 

[leafman101]

Varsho has that sweet LF range tho.

 

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

I know the playoffs are super early into it, but what IF Gabriel Moreno wins World Series MVP lol that would be unreal

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Sucks.

 

[MindzEye]

Moreno - 4
Blue Jays - 1

 

[xposbrad]

I know the playoffs are super early into it, but what IF Gabriel Moreno wins World Series MVP lol that would be unreal

I think most people knew it was a very bad trade from the get go. But that would suck, he's only going to get better now too.

 

[manny]

That was a bomb too.111mph off the bat, 419 feet.

Kid has power.

 

[MindzEye]

Both of his HR's in the playoffs have been fucking bombs

 

[MindzEye]

That was a bomb too.111mph off the bat, 419 feet.

Kid has power.

But Zeke said.....

 

[Leafin']

Gabby with another Homer

 

[manny]

Gurriel with an RBI double too. Just rubbing it in now

 

[MindzEye]

Gurriel with an RBI double too. Just rubbing it in now

Gurriel - 2
Jays - 1

 

[manny]

But Zeke said.....

The best thing about that take was the patronizing.

“It’s obvious to anyone who understands prospects”, “you guys can’t read a stat line”, etc.