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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

He's saying the Orioles did a long and painful rebuild. Which is why they have a stacked minor league system and low payroll.
 
I think most people want them to have an offseason where they don’t do nothing and make the team better not rebuild.

I haven’t seen any “they need to rebuild”.
 
Pwner said:
Couple of things:

So the prevailing thought here is that you want the Jays to be historically bad for a couple of years - Houston, Baltimore, TB. Cool.

All of you guys HATED the Jays rebuilding years (and they didn't lose 100+ games).

Also, we don't trust most of the projection systems anymore? Can I get a reason why we shouldn't trust them? I am open minded, so please inform.
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Last year the Jays were projected to win the division easily. That's why I'm not super confident for this year.
 
Pwner said:
Couple of things:

So the prevailing thought here is that you want the Jays to be historically bad for a couple of years - Houston, Baltimore, TB. Cool.

All of you guys HATED the Jays rebuilding years (and they didn't lose 100+ games).

Also, we don't trust most of the projection systems anymore? Can I get a reason why we shouldn't trust them? I am open minded, so please inform.
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People just like to complain. It passes the time waiting for the season to start.

I’m going to wait until the season is underway to decide what to complain about.
 
I dunno, I kinda like the stand-pat approach when you haven't been able to squeak out a playoff win and you've lost starters off your roster without kids to replace them with.
 
yeah "stand pat" was a perennial failure, and then he decided to make some of the most massive moves ever, and they win.
 
Pwner said:
All of you guys HATED the Jays rebuilding years (and they didn't lose 100+ games).
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Eh, they never really "rebuilt". They did spend a few years over valuing AAAA players as trade returns and running out bad rosters while not actually playing kids though.

But that was no rebuild. In 2018 the Jays had 1 regular under 26 yrs old, in 2019 it was a bit better with the addition of Vlad, Bo, Jansen, etc but that "rebuild" was over in a hurry and they started signing olds to gobs of money every year.

You guys let these punks head fake you. They didn't try to compete with the old core, and they didn't actually rebuild around a young core they believed in. It's been the same random 30+ veteran signings (some good, some fine, some less or much less).
 
Prey tell, how many times have the Jays picked in the top 5 in the Amateur draft with Shatkins involved? 1? And they traded him for a quasi ace in his prime.

Very easy to have a young talented team with no payroll when picking 4 straight years in the top 5.

2017DL HallLeft-handed pitcherValdosta High School
(Valdosta, Georgia)		21[56]
2018Grayson RodriguezRight-handed pitcherCentral Heights High School
(Nacogdoches, Texas)		11
2019Adley RutschmanCatcherOregon State University
(Corvallis, Oregon)		1
2020Heston KjerstadOutfielderUniversity of Arkansas
(Fayetteville, Arkansas)		2
2021Colton CowserOutfielderSam Houston State
(Huntsville, Texas)		5
2022Jackson HollidayShortstopStillwater High School
(Stillwater, Oklahoma)		1
2023Enrique Bradfield Jr.Outfielder Vanderbilt University
(Nashville, Tennessee)		17


The Jays never did this. They wanted to win, like how everyone in this thread wanted. Everyone said that they won't spend, then they did. Now it is, "they spent on OLD guys and have an expensive team, which makes it super easy, barely an inconvenience to make the playoffs".

So what is it? Tanking for 5 straight years to pick in the top 5? or spend (which Rogers have never done) like a big market team and easily make the playoffs?
 
 
 
They did a quick rebuild timed to build a team around Vladdy when he was ready, with young pieces like Bo, Biggio, Manoah, Jansen, Pearson, Auston Martin, etc. Then started spending on free agents and making the playoffs.

With a pivot to trade Martin before his value plummeted to get Berrios.
 
zeke said:
for the record i'm still skeptical that the O's are actually as good as their record last year.
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I mean they are stacked with interesting prospects, so while I think you may be right that they over achieved last year, they've still got guys like Jackson Holiday, Cowser, Mayo etc on the horizon.
 
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